The FBI is closing cold cases left and right...

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  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    With these genetic testing companies like 23 and Me, the FBI essentially has a genetic finger print of everyone.
     
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    But in this case, they don't need to have the finger print of the suspect. If anyone related to them has taken the test, or ever will in the future, they can pinpoint the suspect.
     
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    Other than the facts that the profiles those companies produce aren’t the same as forensic DNA fingerprints, the FBI don’t have automatic access to their data (especially any not based in the USA) and only a small proportion of people will have ever submitted samples to any of those companies.

    Whether the FBI are actually closing cold cases, I very much doubt the genealogical testing companies have anything to do with it.
     
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    There indeed have been a few well published cases solved due to genetic company records, but these are only a few amongst thousands and hardly "Left and Right".
     
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    Closing cases?

    Gee, that's too bad. Shame that the government so eagerly helped Germany and Israel to trace suspected Nazi escapees who entered our shores but refused to help the states trace suspected KKK members who engaged in lynchings. Some of them are still alive and the statute of limitations has never and will never run out.

    Somehow, the lives of innocents in the USA are less important to the government than are those of foreigners. But that's life under Trump.
     
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    They are secretly paying these ancestry companies for access to their database.

    Sacramento authorities confirmed that they used DNA profiles from ancestry websites to help them catch the Golden State Killer, also known as the East Area Rapist and the Original Night Stalker.

    A Wednesday press conference announcing the arrest focused heavily on DNA evidence linking DeAngelo to the crimes, but authorities didn’t specify how that DNA was obtained. Thursday, the Sacramento district attorney’s office confirmed to the Sacramento Bee that authorities had submitted EARONS's DNA, collected from a 1978 crime scene, to online websites like Ancestry.com and 23andme.com.

    Investigators searched family trees generated through the public profiles, looking for plausible leads. After "a long period of time", a break in the case finally came together incredibly swiftly - beginning last Thursday, April 19, when investigators pinpointed DeAngelo as a plausible suspect. They then placed him under surveillance, collected a sample of his discarded DNA, and had a match by the following day.

    This isn't the first time DNA profiles from ancestry websites have been used to crack a longstanding unsolved mystery. In 2016, after years of mystery surrounding the identity thief known as Lori Erica Ruff, her real name was finally revealed thanks in part to the submission of a relative’s DNA profile to ancestry websites.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/4/27/17290288/golden-state-killer-joseph-james-deangelo-dna-profile-match (April 2018 )

    You ignored the part about family members and relatives.

    Probably more than half of the middle class people in the country have a close relative who has taken an ancestry test.
     
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    According to that report, they didn't access any databases, they accessed the same service any of us could use which only makes available information other customers have agreed to make public. It's not unlike looking up a surname in a phone directory or identifying people who own a particular type of car.

    That still isn't "everyone". I'm not saying there aren't legitimate questions to be asked in the field, only that those questions need to be informed and rational. The OP was neither of those things and you were caught up in the exaggerated rhetoric.
     
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    If it's secret....how do you know?
     
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    I earned 1 of 2 high distinctions in Applied Molecular Biology.
     
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    Evidence that they are closing a lot of closed cases? Say, a news article, or statistics from the FBI?
     
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    There should not be any "closed" cases. All should be open or be available for opening such as in those KKK lynchings and pursuit of Nazi war criminals. ALL should be tracked down and forced to face a trial for their unforgivable crimes.
     
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    Meant "cold" not "closed"
     
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    Actually, I read that as "cold". I thought you were referring to the government closing down cold cases which it shouldn't do. Thus, I believe we are in agreement.
     
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    Speak for yourself. I've never used 23 and me or anyone else of that type.
     

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