The Five Lightpoles at the Pentagon

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Hey bob like this?



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    look familiar?
     
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    And human remains of the passengers on the flight do not satisfy you?
     
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    I've shown you this before.

    Painful Deceptions 911 Documentary by Eric Hufschmid Full Version

    (43:45 time mark)


    Why are you talking as if there were no explanation for the remains of the passengers?
     
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    Everything you're fed by the OCT satisfies you and you have not shown you have even one single question about any of it, never mind defend it 24/7. For me, there are so many issues with the OCT that are patently false, covered up, make no sense, contradictory, highly questionable, corrupt and otherwise compromised that I want to know about EVERYTHING. Human remains do not physically identify the airplane as AA77 even if all the human remains are truly those on the passenger list of AA77. What reliable source even corroborated any of this?

    Human remains do not excuse the failure of standard (and relatively simple) FAA airplane crash investigation protocol to forensically match the alleged recovered debris serial numbers to the logs of AA77 or the failure to provide evidence under FOIA request that this was carried out. Human remains do not account for the fact that the allegedly recovered FDR was never physically matched to AA77. Mysteriously there was no serial number on the claimed FDR, something that makes absolutely zero sense unless it was a military aircraft and even then that would be extremely rare.

    And none of this has anything to do with what I posted. Asking me a question about what I'm satisfied with or not does not constitute proof that AA77 or even an airplane downed those poles. The burden of proof is still on YOU, you are as usual, attempting to reverse the burden of proof and ridiculing other theories while you can't even support your own theory that you indirectly plagiarized from the OCT.
     
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    Because truthers like yourself cannot quote a single major inaccuracy in the 9/11 Commission Report. Never have; never will.
    Because you have no proof that such serial number checks were not done; someone told you and you don't question them (as you do the 9/11 Commission Report).
    Because the 9/11 Commission Report makes sense. I tend not to question what makes sense. If you could cite something FROM THE REPORT that doesn't, I'd be happy to hear about it.
    Because allegations outside of the 9/11 Commission Report do not make sense. All of this is the domain of twofers:
    • For example, the remains of persons on the flight found at the Pentagon. If it wasn't AA77; how did they get there?
    • For example, why would the conspirators even put staging the lightpoles on their to-do list? Plane crashes do not always involve light poles, thus why would they pay someone to stage them?
    • For example, why would the conspirators further screw themselves by including a cab driver in their grand conspiracy? According to twofers like yourself; not only did the conspirators needlessly plant light poles when there was no need to, they decided to have a cab get hit in the windshield by one of the poles thus widening the number of people involved.
    • For example, why would the conspirators further screw themselves by including an un-drivable cab in their plan so they would have to deliver it to the place where it would supposedly be hit?
    • For example, why would the conspirators set a transformer on fire?
    • For example, why would they (somehow) damage it in such a way that it was knocked toward the building, taking out a corner of it?
    And the light poles are just one detail in a crime whose dimensions are enormous. Wouldn't the plotters have a lot more to worry about than having to fake some lightpoles at the Pentagon?
    Again, allegations from twoofers include faking phone calls.Airline pilots have the ability to turn off air phones from the **** pit.
    • For example, why would the conspirators not just have put into the narrative that the pilots turned off the phones? It would cut down on hiring voice impersonators.
    • For example, since they did not, Renee May (FA on AA77) called her parents who then called American Airlines; why would the conspirators include the Mays?
    • For example, why would the conspirators risk that the people they had faked the phone calls of, were on the flight? In other words, if they released a call from John Doe and John didn't make the flight, that would indicate the jig is up then and there? What if Betty Ong (FA on AA11) or Renee May had called in sick that day?
    As for the "burden of proof", someone demanding to know "everything" will never be satisfied. There is likely nothing on the planet you know "everything" about.

    Still there are the five light poles that were knocked down on the morning of 9/11/01 (we know this thanks to the cabbie). The only explanation for them that makes sense is that AA77 knocked them down.

    As always, if you can come up with a competing narrative that makes sense, feel free to do so. I'll be happy to read it.
     
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    No you would not be happy to hear about anything, that is a lie. Its well known, and the authors admit the report contains fraud, and here you are blathering on about how it makes sense therefore everyone should accept it as truth because it fits your political zionist agenda.


    The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

    The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, admit in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation.

    They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

    Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

    From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

    The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened.

    The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the terror attacks remain unanswered. Nevertheless, the 9/11 Commission was swiftly closed down on August 21 2004. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/sep/12/911thebigcoverup


    and there the posers are still trying to sell the same sack of snake **** they failed to sell 10 years ago
     
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    That's your proof that AA77 allegedly downed those poles before allegedly impacting the Pentagon? Repetitious drivel and a confirmation of what I posted? It's ok, I would never expect anything otherwise from you. Alert me if and when you believe you can prove the first 2 sentences you wrote in this thread. The burden of proof is still on you since you made the claim. Thanks anyway.
     
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    Well,
    there is the DNA of the passengers that is conclusive about the identity of the flight.
    Great lets see the dna reports that you say exist?

    there is the wreckage from AA77
    Great lets see the 200,000 pounds of wreckage that you say exists?


    there is the remains of the passengers which confirm they were on the flight
    Great lets match the dna to the passengers, that list please?

    there is the radar tracking of AA77 into Pentagon air space but not out of it
    There is, and how do you intend to prove the not out of it, they told you so? :chew:

    there is the downed light poles disallowing anything other than a large body aircraft from hitting the Pentagon
    Physics and science already proved that laughable, why do you continue to post that lie?

    there is the dozens of eye witnesses that saw the plane hit the building
    Despite its impossiblility as proven no one saw it take out any poles but 1 cab driver LMAO.

    there is the criminal conviction of the 20th hijacker which places the AA77
    But he never hijacked any plane WTF are you talking about?

    hijackers firmly in the conspiracy to hijack 4 planes and crash them into buildings
    So since you have all the dna post their dna for us.

    All of which would be enough individually.
    Wait a sec, you didnt understand the correct usage of the word half and you consider yourself qualified to speak on the be-half- of a judge? I think not.

    You seem hung up on a checklist that matches serial numbers found at the scene to parts that were installed on a plane? Is this piece of paper that is missing that makes you sound so nutty?

    The only thing nutty around here that I see is posers posting their outdated debunked trash.
    :deadhorse:
     
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    I mean, seriously, a checklist of serial numbers that is supposedly missing (not sure they make those forms public normally) and you ignore everything else?
     
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    It's only conclusive about the identity of the passengers (assuming it's legitimate). It has nothing to do with what allegedly downed the poles or allegedly impacted the Pentagon on 9/11. So that's incorrect.

    It's only debris, there is no evidence the debris actually belongs to either designated airplanes.

    The "remains" (if legitimately identified) don't confirm anything about the planes that allegedly crashed on 9/11. There is no physical correlation.

    There no physical confirmation that AA77 entered Pentagon air space.

    There is no confirmed correlation, just an unsupported theory of yours. None of this is even mentioned in any official report, so the unsupported theory is strictly yours and you still haven't prove anything.

    No eyewitness can confirm that the alleged plane is in fact AA77.

    There is no "20th hijacker" and even if the person you claim is the "20th hijacker" as you call him, he wasn't there. So how can he confirm anything about what happened on 9/11?

    Enough what? You haven't proven anything about the first 2 sentences/claims in your own thread.

    If you mean by "hung up" that I insist that a standard (and fairly simple) NTSB airplane crash forensic protocol be conducted as required, of course. What fool who has any interest in a legitimate 9/11 investigation wouldn't?
     
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    It's not "supposedly missing" it is missing and FOIA requests for such a match were deliberately denied.

    I haven't ignored anything. If you follow my posts closely, you would know I pay careful attention to detail about everything. I am fully aware of the many official issues that are lies, misinformation, contradictions, coverups, enormous amounts of missing evidence/documents, obvious fakery, etc. I may not know all of it because I have no idea what else the US government is hiding about 9/11 but who does other than those who are hiding it?
     
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    So that means that "they" have it but won't turn it over.... or that "they" don't have it?
     
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    I've shown you this before too.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

    There are "Witnesses" who say they saw a 757 hit the Pentagon. There are others who say the plane was much smaller than a 757.

    In a plan this big there are going to be planted bogus witnesses. There being people who saw a large plane and also people who saw a small plane is consistent with there being both planted bogus witness and real ones which is consistent with a conspiracy.


    Also, stop ignoring this.

    (post #128 )
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-pentagon.504480/page-7#post-1067563622
     
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    It could mean either. It is possible that they have it but won't release it. But what sense would that make? There should be absolutely nothing of national security interest that requires classification about a list of matching serial numbers. You would think they would be eager to confirm the details about their OCT if it was fact. And given that the FBI famously hid Pentagon videos, over 80,000 pages of documents from Congress, the 9/11 Commission and everyone, the serial number match (if it exists) and who knows what else they hid, it's very likely there's a good reason for all of that and it's not about national security. There is also the possibility that none of the debris belongs to any of the officially claimed planes. That would be a good reason for their failure to release the list. Or that they simply failed to do their job (i.e. INVESTIGATE). That would be standard for the US government, NO 9/11 INVESTIGATION as the Bush administration desperately wanted it that way. And certainly there's a good reason for that too. But when one defends everything and questions nothing and even invents theories that one hopes supports the OCT, one is strictly a US government shill and certainly not someone who wants to know the truth about 9/11.
     
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    That alone should seal the deal that there was no conspiracy.

    Look, if you’re going to kill, 3,000 people, do you think these folks would blink at producing this stupid checklist for anyone whining about investigations like yourself?

    That there were some procedures not followed is probably to be expected since it was the first attack for most people. This is why you go through boot camp and other training before being put on active duty in theater; and even then you see screw ups by troops as we had with Abu Grahib. Those demanding perfection from humans are always disappointed.
     
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    So 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy or are you still unaware of the definition of a conspiracy? The FBI (definitely comprised of 2 or more people) didn't conspire to hide over 80,000 pages of documents from Congress, the 9/11 Commission and the public? How about the serial number match? The facts are they did despite your denials.

    But they are hiding the "stupid checklist" (if it exists) no matter what other theory you're proposing about killing 3,000 people. Your denial of the facts doesn't change the facts.

    I know you're not interested in proper procedures being followed because you're only interested in defending the OCT 24/7 and questioning none of it. But intelligent people who care know why proper procedures of any kind weren't followed and demand a real investigation, not utter BS.

    It's not about "perfection", it's about following proper procedures that are usually ALWAYS followed except on 9/11.
     
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    So, you’ve checked every plane crash in US history to see this stupid checklist? Are you going to be honest or lie to us some more here?
     
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    Now we not only have the conspirators planting light poles they didn’t need to plant, damaging a cab they didn’t need to damage, destroying a transformer they didn’t need to damage….but now are “planting” eye witnesses.

    Was there anyone in DC not involved in the supposed conspiracy?
     
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    Of course not, there was never a reason for me to check for a "stupid checklist". 9/11 however is quite a different story. Why do you call it a "stupid checklist" anyway? Does it bother you that much that such a simple forensic investigation required by NTSB protocol be followed so that we (meaning intelligent people who care and want the truth) can all be satisfied the officially claimed designated airplanes be verified?

    I haven't lied about anything. There is no reason for me to lie, there's absolutely nothing for me to gain.
     
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    made a good enough story you suckered for it, so I expect it was needed, look how well it worked on you.
     
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    No.

    In the same way if you had a family member drive your car into the garage door prior to it opening. You drive a blue Lexus 300X. You see the blue Lexus 300X crashed through your garage door. You see the car seat in the back that your kid rides in. You see the scratch on the door from the concrete post at the ATM machine. Your kid says he drove into the garage door.... You're across the street neighbor says he saw it too as does the mailman, the milk man, the landscaper, the utility worker and everyone else who was looking at the house. Your security system takes a picture every 3 seconds so you see the car approaching and then you see the car impaled on the garage door on the footage.

    Do you really double check the VIN number of the car you recognize? No. Do you really double check the address on the front door of the house you just came out of to make sure it's your garage? No.

    Now, your Homeowner's insurance adjuster does. And your auto insurance agent does.

    Whoever insured the planes (likely General Electric) checked these things and paid off claims. Likely all on board did the same with their life insurance companies....

    They have no problem. Why would you?
     
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    Yes you have; in the same way people who say they have "no position" on abortion, invading Iraq, or crunchy vs. smooth peanut butter lie to us. I ask you to tell us what you think happened and your responses range from "I don't know" to "It's not the right forum to ask" or some jibberish like that.

    If your answer is truly, "I don't know", you shouldn't be commenting so vehemently that someone else got it wrong.

    You don't want to be put into the position of defending anything so you never take a stand. It's intellectual dishonesty; plain and simple.
     
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    Whats so crazy is how these people can consider their positions arguments at all, they certainly are not academic in nature. Anyone can stanfd on a soapbox and scream any delusion all day long, but in the end only learned analysis can rule the day if we want to understand exactly what happened, hence the extensive use of forensics (everywhere but 911).

    Check this out, all it takes to slice off the wing of a commercial jet is a thin (paper weak compared to a pole) and down they come.

    Maybe if these pole mower people were in that plane they would have a better more reality based grasp of materials and strengths.



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    The sheet metal wing is so light that they have walk zones clearly designated to insure a person does not accidentally stick their foot through it by walking on it, yet these people have the insane belief planes can mow down light poles without completely destroying the wing.

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    Of course it makes little sense that the wings of a commercial aircraft can cut down 5 light poles and remain airborne and on a direct undeviated trajectory. I don't (and won't) claim to know what happened to those light poles because no one really knows other than those knowingly involved. But science and facts speaks for themselves and what is improbable or impossible scientifically speaking often contradicts the official 9/11 claims. There are also just so many contradictions that in concert renders the official account a total fraud. The author of this thread keeps demanding an alternate theoretical narrative from posters who reject the official narrative but there's no point to inventing a counter-theory to a nonsensical theory. It doesn't change the facts and the science or transform a failed theory into a valid one.
     
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    all that goodbye cruel world meant was that its time to change socks. its pretty tough proving whats scientifically impossible.
     

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