The fix for American health care can be found in Europe

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I was possibly a bit harsh but I have worked in Emergency and have met the patient who has little wrong with them but is the most impatient of all to be seen straight away and does not understand what the world "triage" really means to us

 

No, all that is fact.

I have British friends who have corroborated what is written. In fact, I am helping presently a British couple seeking the French National Health Service coverage. They will obtain it because it is shared identically throughout the EU - with the only catch being that one's country of residence will ask the EU country of former residence to reimburse the costs. (But this is a formality. All an EU-citizen must do is obtain an "S1" document from their former country; which is a formality assuring that their "home country" will be reimbursed (for HealthCare services) by the country where they paid their taxes.

Unless, of course, you are a Yank. Where the American government (via FATCA) asks (and obtains) from each country of residence of an American an accounting of their country-of-residence bank. Because America is the ONLY COUNTRY on earth that requires its nationals to pay taxes regardless of where they earn a living ...

 

I believe strongly in statistics, but they must also be taken with some precaution.

Just went to see my physician for the bi-annual check-up. Cost me 25€ ($30).

I will be reimbursed 75% of that sum. Moreover, HC-systems are one of many keys to longevity. We in France have statistically a chance of living 3-years more than our counterparts in the US.

So, OK, I'll pay much higher taxes for that option. It's worth it.

I sent my kids to university at an anuual tuition fee of $1000 (equivalency in dollars). Room n' board was as much for a total cost of $2000 a year. One is now working on her Master's degree. Same annual cost.

But MBAs are NOT taught at French government schools. So, they cost whatever the market will bear; and they are expensive ... !

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He borrowed to invest.

 

It costs as much as 5 hospitals to build 1 hospital because of this "investment".

 

Hmmm... Funny, I've always thought it was 5, anyway... The deal is still bad.

 

Wow...

 

Insert a zillion statistical studies all comparing apples with pears and none of them agreeing with any other study.

I've seen comparisons that support all sides of all healthcare debates in all countries and they all go broadly speaking exactly the same.
Public vs private.

And we can use a zillion metrics to measure this. And we can each find metric that favour our own ideologies or perceptions.

I'll Google up two conflicting metrics for you to demonstrate.
Google images. Searching... US healthcare vs EU healthcare




So here, America wins yay for America. Most Healthcare spending.
Not only do they spend the most apparently, they are also increasing their spending the fastest!


But then we're going to say "look at outcomes" money spent doesn't = ailments cured.



And the analysis will get more and more up it's own arse and never ever give you a clear in-disputed winner.
Sorry.
It's too complex a relationship too have any chance of predicting. Chaos Theory.
Too many variables.

 

For my money, if you don't already have an NHS, for ****s sake don't get one.
Once you've got it, you can't un get it.

It's like the blob

It starts like this

and ends up like this


And it never stops growing and it's probably the same size as the US military or something right now.
So you've heard of the military industrial complex and the NHS is much the same.

Honestly, we've got it and we're going to stick with us even if it kills us.
Bu I wouldn't actually wish it on anyone else.

On the plus side it's an excellent modern healthcare provider.
Like Rhetoric says however, go private.
NHS = second rate care.

 

Just don't trust Labour / factions like labor across the world, unions.
Tony Blair, Britsh Leyland, Jeremy Corbyn...
They'd take something great, hold it, and in their hands, it will turn to ****.
Could be

• Your Country
• Your Healthcare
• Your Manufacturing

It don't matter, Labour'd take that great thing - and somehow turn it into ****.

 

People like you always must find a culprit for a bad economy. It's never the fault of aggregate Consumer Demand that stagnates and creates high-unemployment.

Nope. It's always SOME POLITICAL LEADER'S FAULT.

Take a course in EC101 or leave your drivel elsewhere ...

 

Statistics are wonderful things, they can say anything you want them to say.

 

Typically something that anyone uninstructed in the matter would say. Fortunately, the world doesn't listen to them.

And, unfortunately, is some countries, the ignorant are easily fooled into electing them to public office ...

 

I'm not responsible for who the French elected.


But you are wrong as usual. Any statistic you find, there is a way to morph that, or related statistics, into the opposite view.

 

Yes, well, what can I say.

Your ignorance of the science of economics is bewildering ...

 

We gee, we've got ourselves the smartest ****ing human in the Universe here, **** me, I should have been more humble.
I wonder, what's it like being the smartest piece of * excuse me, in this universe?
Must be really shitty for you, you know, being surround by everybody else's ignorance all the time.
But let me put this to you, perhaps ye who shouts the loudest has nothing to shout, and while you sit there in France being French or American or even Irish (really doesn't matter); you sit there in France telling people what they should do with their healthcare then dismiss any criticism as ignorance.

 

New Labour = Putting Public Money into Private Hands
Jeremy Corybn = Putting Public Hands into Private Pockets, and not playing with you either.

 

All Americans have access to health care.
America is anything but a country were people are dying from lack of medical assistance.
Much as it's detractors would love it to be so.

All statistics are manipulated.

And if you can't blame the government for the inefficiency of a government department and expect them to be held to account for the successes and failures of what they are charged with managing, then you don't live in a democracy.

The NHS is miserably managed, and the government is every bit to blame for that. Not the weather but the people who run it.
The NHS works for the betterment of the NHS. Not the people but the NHS people.

Why you feel a group of people self organised into governments are any less self serving if they organise under a public banner and not a private one is quite beyond me. Vested interest = vested interest.

With the use of enforced taxation as a means of funding, Governments simply don't have to respond to public interest with the same commercial necessity as a private organisation that relies upon willing participation.

Go public, get a **** service.
Go private, get a responsive one.

 

Your belief that it is "a science", is embarrassing.

It isn't.