The Florida Legislature Has Rejected All Anti-Gun Control Bills

You already have that right, but have no right to be able to leave me disarmed and defenseless.

Really, then why do so many people in the US use them to defend and in many cases save their lives with them?

I guess you would rather those people be killed so you can selfishly live in your imaginary utopia.

Sorry it doesn't work that way, your life is no more and no less important than the law abiding around you.

 

Maybe you should stop putting people with insane minds back on the streets.

 

That would help a lot, however that is considered a mean thing to do, better to let innocents suffer and get killed, then to punish the criminals.

 

A logical argument for arming yourself considering you can’t disarm society without an Assault, Military grade magic wand, but, I haven‘t seen one in my lifetime.

 

A logical argument for arming yourself considering you can’t disarm criminal elements in our society with any form of a gun ban.

Slight re-edit, considering gun laws only affect the law abiding, as criminals laugh at such laws while killing innocents.

If someone is going to commit murder, does any rational thinking person really believe the minor penalties of a gun ban is going to deter them from picking up and using a banned gun?

 

1. We both have the right to own guns. I'm not against that right. I have no desire to leave you disarmed & "defenseless." But no one needs automatic weapons for self defense--or wouldn't if there were no automatic weapons out there already threatening them.
2. I can't remember the last time I heard or read of an individual American using their personal gun to save themselves. If we lived in a society where no one carries guns, then that threat wouldn't exist.
3. In my perfect world, no one would have to be killed, because no one would be out there threatening anyone else. Of course, that reality doesn't exist. There are some threats, but most of us find ways to avoid them personally for most of our lives. Eliminating automatic weapons entirely from private ownership wouldn't entirely solve the problem, but it would decrease the number of victims afflicted annually now. A reduction in attacks & threats, is a step forward.
4. Of course. I'm not suggesting this just for myself. I want a peaceful, respectful society for all of us to live in, not one where everyone has to spend every day feeling dread & fear of being accosted or killed by some mental case with a gun.

 

It wasn't liberals who closed all the mental health facilities that used to be available to help those in need, & forcing those with mental problems onto the streets to threaten you, me & society in general.

 

No, it's just leftists putting murderers and rapists back on the streets.

 

Florida needs a wall! Build that wall!

 

Yes, it's a bit of a quandary. If we expand our interpretation of the 2nd Amendment & allow more people to have access to more dangerous weaponry, then we make it easier for mental cases to roam the streets with those weapons & threaten, maim, or kill innocents anywhere. This impacts our law enforcement forces who are designed to protect us, placing them under more threat, & making them less effective in their mission. That in turn forces us as individuals to take on more responsibility for our personal safety. That forces more of us to arm ourselves, just in case. And that turns our formerly peaceful communities where children used to feel safe playing in public, into scared, distrustful, suspicious, divided communities where no one feels safe, secure, or at ease with their neighbors or anyone else. So, with everyone going around carrying a gun, & no one trusting anyone else, we turn our modern society, with so much promise, into a living version of Hell. This is what opening automatic weaponry to private ownership, coupled with the insane "open carry" laws spreading across the country, is leading us into. I want no part of it. No one in their right mind would. No one with a brain would. It's insane.

 

Explain. Who? Where? When?

 

Ask Cuomo.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/cuomo-blames-de-blasios-rikers-releases-for-nyc-crime-wave/

 

I hope that I have understood your sentiments correctly but least in VA, the only people who are advocating releasing criminals onto the streets are the same Democrats who want to eviscerate the 2d Amendment to make preying on others easier for their criminal constituents.
Criminals as well as totalitarian regimes prefer a disarmed citizenry over an armed one.

As long as I can remember, many people have either carried a gun or had ready access to one.
As far as: "no one trusting anyone else,", it sounds like you're projecting your own distrust of your fellow man and assuming that everyone else is out to do you harm. I'm perfectly comfortable around other people who chose to be armed because I assume that most people are generally good. On the other hand, I am usually well prepared in case some of those other people turn out not to be so good.

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What's really insane is the notion that violent criminals will obey additional gun control laws when criminals, by definition, do not obey laws.

Thanks,

 

There are very few automatic weapons in private hands, the process of buying one takes alomst a year and they are very, very expensive.

What you are mistakenly referring to are semi-automatic weapons, most of which which other than they look are no different than any other firearm, they fire one shot with each pull of the trigger.

You must not be looking very hard, according to the CDC firearms are used almost 200,000 times a year for self defense and that's only what was is reported, a lot of the time a crime is prevented by the bad guy seeing the good guy is armed and moves on to a softer target, an unarmed person.

The truth is it actually increases the death rates as the criminals who still get their hands on guns have more unarmed innocents to rob, rape and kill.

Most normal people do not live that way, less so when they are armed and ready to defend themselves and their family and push come to shove their communities.

 

If not we will have to go South and take over Cuba.

 

1. While I am a Democrat, I don't support releasing violent criminals back on the street until their full time incarcerated is filled. I'm OK with releasing non-violent offenders if they show promise for some positive change in their lives. I'm not against the 2nd Amendment--just against public access to automatic weapons. I agree with your last sentence in #1, but I don't feel having an unarmed society to live in necessarily connects with more criminals or a totalitarian government. I was several decades into my personal life before I ever say anyone carrying a loaded pistol on the public sidewalks in an urban area. It shocked me. It still does. Why, after so many decades of not seeing that, did states suddenly decide they were necessary? I don't get it.
2. Most men I've known have owned guns. Many have been & are hunters. I'm OK with that. I'm less comfortable with the recent trend of states passing "open carry" laws. I get a bit edgy whenever I see someone with a pistol on their hip, or worse, an AK-47 or equivalent slung over their shoulder or neck. That reminds me of the Middle East. It's discomforting. In terms of not trusting anyone else, if I don't feel it's necessary to walk around my home town armed to the teeth, it's probably NOT because I distrust everyone. I wasn't the one who convinced the state legislatures to pass an "open carry" law, because I didn't trust anyone on the sidewalks with me. I've always felt comfortable trusting our law enforcement officials to keep the peace. I still do. An openly armed public is decidedly not the answer here.
3. I agree with your statement in #3. I just don't consign everyone I meet into some threatening or dangerous category, & I'd feel a lot safer walking down the street where no one had a gun. That way I don't have to worry whether or not they were in possession of all their marbles.

 

Hows that, mental cases cannot buy a firearm legally.

Yet the it is the leftist's who want to defeund law enforcement and disarm the law abiding, you don't see something wrong with that?

It really doesn't work that way, where I live the population is heavily armed, our Sheriff promotes and encourages the law abiding citizens he serves to be armed and trained by his law enforcement trainers, yet even tough we are heavily armed we get along just fine, the neighbors are friendly, people are polite, we help each other when someone needs help, what scares people is when criminals run the streets knowing only the police are armed, that is when people live in fear, here understanding those around us are armed provides both a sense of community and security, because we know should someone try to commit a crime, there's a good chance it will be stopped before it can be committed and the criminal will be held, sometimes at gunpoint until the Deputies can arrive and take over, law abiding people understand that and our Sheriff understands that.

That is totally false, in my opinion only those who do not understand firearms, nor their neighbors, could possibly believe that to be true.

No what's insane is the irrational fear thinking that someone have thinking a firearm makes them dangerous person, which is totally untrue, people make themselves dangerous by becoming criminals and preying on the weak, a firearm changes everything, with a firearm a slight or weak person can defend him or herself against a much stronger criminal and not become a victim, conversely those who want everyone disarmed only make the jobs of criminals easier, resulting in more of the weak among us becoming victims.

And that is not only wrong, it's cruel and uncaring about others.

 

That's a very dangerous assumption, they are neither required to protect you, nor can the be everywhere, most of the time they are reactive, responding to a crime that has already happened, they count the dead and injured and write up a report and then go out and try to find those who committed the crime.

Sadly if you happened to be one of the victims you are still injured or dead, they cannot undue that.

 

We are voting for William Delaney to replace our Democrat Sheriff here. He's pro second, very much so.

 

Lets hope he wins, who is your current Sheriff?

 

If the Virginia amendment putting redistricting into the hands of a bipartisan commission passes, don't be surprised to see it tilt back to violet.

Anyway, the difference between Virginia and Florida isn't red/blue. It is Florida is on the front line of gangs and drug smuggling.

 

I was raised in one of the most firearms restrictive countries in the world... guns weren’t that difficult to come by, even full auto (I built a Sten MK II from scratch at age 14), but those of the right class if caught were often released with no penalty while those of the despicable class often served significant time. And, there were times a full auto might have helped saved lives.
I know of nowhere firearms cannot be relatively easy to obtained, as counter intuitively as it may sound, even in the most restrictive of countries. I have also lived in places where virtually everyone is armed, often, again counter intuitively, very safe places. The scary places were those where the law abiding were disarmed; the criminal element almost always were able to arm themselves, and in a few places, you had more concern regarding the government’s police and military than the criminals.
I do find it a bit curious that many of the anti gun types believe only ‘trained’ government law enforcement employees should carry guns while simultaneously applauding violence against them and advocating they be defunded.

I do believe in gun control; if I am in a place with a lot of people and there is only one gun, then I want control of it...safer for everyone.

 

Jim or (James) Potter D

His admin is scandolous.

 

1. Gun activists are always telling us that if guns are outlawed, then only outlaws would be able to get guns. Then in the next breath, they are telling us that our laws prevent anyone mentally ill or unstable from buying guns. What make the same law fail to stop criminals from buying guns, but can be trusted to stop mental derelicts from getting one? And, do you really think a mentally ill person would be any less enthusiastic about circumventing the gun laws than a common criminal?
2. It's a common theme for conservatives & Trumpsters to blame anything & everything they disagree with as part of liberal conspiracy. How lame. Yes, I've seen the BLM protests with signs advocating the removal of funding support for local police. If you were black & saw so many innocent victims who look like you gunned down for no apparent reason, at a rate equal or exceeding 1 per month for as long as you can remember, would you still support those police doing that? I wouldn't. I'm not black, but I care about American lives regardless of their skin color. Every American deserves the right to drive a car, or walk down a sidewalk without feeling threatened by the forces delegated to protect & preserve public safety. I don't support defunding police, but I strongly support getting rid of racist police men & women in every locale in this nation.
3. Your Sheriff is an exception. All my life I've heard local police officers say they don't want vigilantes interfering with the law. Vigilantes don't have the proper training to dispense justice fairly. They're too susceptible to personal emotion & bias, & a danger to anyone they regard as a criminal before proof is available. I feel a deep sense of discomfort with the situation you describe there where you live. I'm sorry for you. I would not live there under any circumstances, given a choice. I feel no community can ever be successful if those living there are incapable of walking down a street, or living at home, or going shopping, or driving down the highway without fear. All those gun totters are motivated by internal fears. To me, that's a powerful testament to abject failure as a community.
4. I sense from your discourse here, & especially from your #4, that your whole life is predicated on fear. Your insecurities dominate your daily existence. I don't live in such a negative environment. I'm sad to learn there are environment like that in America. That shouldn't be. But for sure, more guns aren't an answer. Learning to live with your neighbors in harmony is. I'm saddened by your post that no movement toward that workable solution seems in play. No part of America should ever be a place where you feel you need a gun to leave your home. Any such place is a travesty & a failed example of everything America stands for.

 

Which is correct.

Incorrect, those laws or more correctly regulations where implemented long before the anti-gun movement existed, they are not your laws they are common sense regulations..

Because neither can pass a NICS background check to buy a firearm.

Now you have exposed who you really are, this discussion is over, you are not interested in reason or facts, you just wish to regurgitate well known lies proffered by the anti-gun lobby, who you are probably part of.