The Florida Legislature Has Rejected All Anti-Gun Control Bills

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The 2nd Amendment is NOT an important issue for me. I hardly ever think about it. I own a .22 rifle which I bought for target practice about 20 years ago. I used it about 4-5 times, then put into storage, where it has remained since. I suspect it may have fossilized by now. I'm not part of the anti-gun lobby, nor am I familiar with whatever it is they do; nor do I really care. Almost every issue on the books this election is more important to me than guns. I just respond to posts here on the forum about them when there's not much else flying.
     
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    1) Again, good logic for being armed. You can’t eliminate access to gun. Thinking you can is a fantasy. Again, I was raised in one of the most gun restrictive countries is the world. I started carrying either a 13” or 15” overall Italian switch blade every day at 8 and a ppk within a year of that. The only place I didn’t carry was in school because of the scary fascist pschyco nuns (want to defund police, populate law enforcement with them).
    2) I lived in a neighborhood that was the analog to American minority/impoverished groups. We were regularly denied equal access to employment, housing and civil rights and were as well regularly arrested/imprisioned on accusations as opposed to evidence and in some cases, rounded up and placed literally in a concentration camp without due process. We didn’t call for elimination of law enforcement just equality under the law and parity in representation.
    3) we had our own trained ‘vigilantes’ as you’d call them, but our safety concerns were never associated from those in our neighborhoods, armed or not, no violence was perpetrated by those in our area against those living there, penalties were very high if that happened; the fear of violence was always associated from those invading our area for the explicit purpose to prey. A primary reason many of us went armed and protected those that couldn’t defend themselves.
    4) being armed isn’t a response to living in constant fear as many with fear of firearms suppose. It’s being prepared for the reality of the potential of being victimized or defending others from being victimized. It’s no logical difference than keeping a spare tire in your boot or a fire extinguisher in your home, school or place of business; not living in fear, but a hedge against possibilities and a means of responding to prevent a small situation from expanding to a larger threat. As well, we did have a few people that were considered a threat and unfit from carrying matches much less firearms... we kept them from access to those things, and didn’t see it logical to do that to everyone as a means of reducing a low probability threat.
    Now, the Government wanted us disarmed. Why? Because we were propagandize as a national threat, but the reality was it was the policy to deny equality of civil rights, silence dissection and voices of complaint, and to reduce the threat to those selectively privileged in being party to subjugating those of among the class of undesirables, often identified by ethnic slurs such as paddy, taig or fennian bastard not unlike similar ethnic slurs seen in the US by racists and even those cast by politicians referring to those ‘smelly Walmart people’ or Bidden just referring to the ‘ugly’ people.
    In all of history, there have been those that want to disarm others to mitigate resistance to being victimized. Being disarmed is a proxy for denied freedom, removes the potential no only for the right of self defense, but the ability to resist/protest complete and arbitrary domination... which, by the way, is, I suggest (and others as well) from the lessons of observation and history, the purpose behind the 2A.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Your comments regarding full auto in this thread are predicated on two things, the first anti gun fantasies, and second, ignorance of firearms, particularly full auto weapons.
    Full autos generally fill a narrow range of roles when deployed... not that most frequently depicted from Hollywood U
    Most full autos have minimal utility to criminals, they aren’t easily concealed, costly to feed, difficult (if not trained) to effectively control, and have limited utility for criminal use.
    As for the potential for rapid fire, and semi auto can be effectively rapid fired
    Many semi autos, like the AR, can be converted to full auto fairly easily (look up Lighting Link)
    As for simulating full auto, I learned to easily use recoil of virtually any semi auto to mimic full auto from any firing position back in the 70’s on demand (something easily taught in a couple minutes), a technique, that is made slightly (only slightly easier) by what is referred to as bump fire devices. Hell, when younger we, thought it mildly entertaining to Mimic the full auto of Hollywood, until we hit the reality of the cost of the ammo and the relative limited utility of full auto. So, that everybody doesn’t shoot semi autos in this fashion is a reflection of ignorance, cost, and the question... so, what?
    Face it, your aversion to full auto is not based in knowledge, but myth.
     
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    I am deeply moved by your post as well as your personal experience. As I read it, I am even more convinced that the ultimate answer lies in treating each other & everyone around us as equals--for in reality they are--& with the same respect we feel we deserve for ourselves. I know every culture on the planet fails in some way to do this. Ours is certainly no exception. But the only true way to eliminate violence entirely is to treat each other with respect & acceptance as equals to ourselves. More guns or knives will never solve the overall problem. It may make you feel protected. It may even actually protect you on occasion, or someone you love. But more guns is an invitation for more violence. Learning to accept each other, honor their value as fellow humans first & Americans second, & always treating others as you wish them to treat you, is the only real answer that actually works. That's why, as a liberal, I continue advocating for more concern for those left out, or who feel left out of our current society--like you were. We need to be more aware of how totally interrelated we all are. We live in an interdependent world. We need those others that many of us like to pick on or demean. They contribute to our overall success & happiness just as much as anyone, even without our recognition. We need to live the "Golden Rule," which says, "Treat others as you would have them treat you." Not the fake golden rule which we often find ourselves trapped in, which says, "He who has the gold makes the rules." That is what has gotten us into the quagmire we're all in today. We need to discard that latter one & practice the real one. That simple change in us would change the world for everyone. And, it's a personal choice.
     
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    Thank you for sharing these facts. You're right, I'm not well informed about guns or their use. I have little to zero interest in them. I've never been in a situation when I needed one. I hope I never am. It saddens me that so many of my fellow Americans feel so insecure they feel a gun is a necessity. I don't want my America to be the modern version of the old "Wild West." Modern technology offers all of us so many wonderful windows of opportunity to pursue our own interests & dreams. None of them require guns or violence for fulfillment. Guns & violence are an unnecessary negative distraction. None of us need that. I don't want it. America doesn't need it. Let's go a different way.
     
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    My gun stays in a cabinet and only comes out when I head to some private property of a friend living in the boonies, to date it has killed one feral hog, several watermelons and countless cans of soda. While I dont carry a gun everywhere I go, I do keep a wicked sharp, fixed blade knife in a sheath. Sometimes I need to cut things but I always keep it handy, if anyone feels a need to assault me, it's there. There is nothing "insecure" about recognizing the reality the world can be a dangerous place. Your personal safety is your responsibility, yours and yours alone. But this has been explained to you, yet you persist in smearing those who carry as "insecure"....but you have every right to be in error, unlike you, I dont seek to take any rights from you.
     
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    I have a VA concealed carry which I wish included knives. I have several in my collection I'd prefer to carry.
     
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    Open carry of knives is legal in Fl. I carry two, sometimes but always one. This can be worn around the neck or a belt clip. upload_2020-10-31_17-7-40.jpeg And for pocket carry, my other CRKT easy one finger opening. [​IMG]
     
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    The kids from Stoneman Douglas are not standing by with their hands in their pockets. They have mobilized the youth vote in Florida - and it is for Republicans. Trump promised them - publically - that he would do something. And he didn't. And they haven't forgotten. Don't underestimate the youts.
     
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    That's a rather rambling post, just what is it supposed to mean?

    And what did Trump promise them, I can assure he promised Hogg (the cameras) nothing what so ever.
     
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    I meant to say that their support was NOT for Republicans - sorry for the confusion.
    As for what he promised? In typical Trump fashion, he vowed to 'figure it out' and did nothing.
    In February, a week after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting killed 17 students and staff members, President Trump hosted a listening session at the White House with survivors and families of the victims of gun violence, including some from Parkland, Florida. Trump looked at the assembled group, including Nicole Hockley who lost her 6-year-old son, Dylan, in the Newtown, Connecticut, massacre, and vowed to “figure it out,” to “do something about this horrible situation that’s going on.”
    https://www.vogue.com/article/donald-trump-nra-annual-meeting
     
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    You can't have a right to something thats impossible...
     
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    Also, dont assume all youth are liberal gun banners.
     
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    Well what is there to figure out?

    BSO screwed the pooch big time with Cruz, the Sheriff was removed from office the, department lost their certification, plus lawsuits are flying all over the place, including the rather innocent folks who took Cruz into their home after his mother died.

    And considering your linked source has rather distorted the facts by taking Trumps comments out of context, it should be written off as fake news.
     
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    Actually a number of Parkland students have become very strong supporters of the Second Amendment, they unlike some of their brainwashed fellow students understand, if someone say a teacher at MSD was armed, Cruz would have been killed before he had the ability to take as many lives as he did.
     
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    Mostly because....
    ... the Democrats in Congress will not allow the federal government to do what hat the federal government needs to do.
    ... the primary response to things like this starts at the state level.

    Fact is, the Democrats are fully aware of the fact they NEED school shootings, else they have no hope of getting support for the unnecessary and ineffective restrictions they seek to place on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding.
     
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    I'd like to think I have a right to live in a safe, happy, non-violent community. Most of my life I have. Since life gives us what we concentrate on, if you concentrate on possible violent attacks, life will provide those for you. We create the life we experience. I concentrate on peace & good will toward my fellow man. For the most part, its been returned to me. You should try it. :)
     
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    Nothing is impossible if enough people in any given society decide it's important enough to work together to obtain. :)
     
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    In this case, 'enough' will have to be 100%. Otherwise someone is going to be a violent criminal and someone else is going to have to defend themselves from a violent criminal. Which means there will be guns regardless of what you percieve your rights to be.

    But I do wish you luck in building a world with 0 violent criminals. That would be nice.
     
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    Nice utopiactic plattitude, meditate on that and hope it works :)
     
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    I'll stop you there, You can think what you want, but there is no utopia in life.
     
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    And for that to happen someone must get between you and the evil that does and always will exist in all societies.

    Maybe someday you will wake up, get your head out of the sand and see the world for what it really is, but as long as you remain in your fairy tale world of unicorns and butterfly's, you should at least have the heart to thank those around you who are armed and put their lives on the line to keep you safe and while your at it learn to mind your own business when it comes to their business of self defense, for themselves and those around them, for if they didn't exist, there is a good possibility you wouldn't be around anymore to complain about the tools they choose to do their jobs with.

    As for this conversation, it's pretty much over, by your own admission you lack even the slightest knowledge of firearms and are woefully misinformed as to their use's and or misuses, combined with very with little understanding of the dark side of society in the US.

    And I cannot feel sorry for you as you did it to yourself.
     
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    I certainly don't deny the existence, or impact of evil or violent people in society around me, you & all. I'm also quite grateful to have law enforcement people helping keep us all safe. And, I'm aware of their limitations. But I don't see that using vigilante groups is either necessary or prudent in any society hoping to offer positive living conditions for its members. That swiftly becomes something very ugly. There are historic examples to learn from. Cruelty & violence have always had a presence in America & elsewhere throughout my life. I've been fortunate to avoid personal contact with it for the most part, but not entirely successful. But since 1994, I've watched Americans gradually become more & more divided--especially since 2015. Today, I see our current President--a multi-millionaire, & someone with every possible advantage & opportunity at his fingertips--constantly finding fault & causing havoc with everything & everyone around him. He's entirely lacking the gene of happiness. He's miserable & consistently spends every day of his life working at making everyone around him as miserable as he is. That's not a true reflection of the reality around him, but rather a prejudiced one based on his internal dissatisfactions & expectations. Unfortunately, as President, he's a powerful influence on many Americans, who are adopting much of his negativism toward those he regards as personal enemies--like all Democrats, for example. All this spreading negativism is not only uncomfortable for us all, but it's dangerous as well. It weakens the fabric of our Union as a nation, & as a coherent culture. I sincerely hope Biden can reverse it.
     
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    There you go again, those who carry are either "insecure" and or "vigilantes" Conversation really is over, it's no use. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. There are thousands of threads here to rant about the bad orange man, stop polluting this one.
     
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