The fraudulent claim of air and the Apollo 15 flag.

You are a truly pathetic truther. You are the claimant yet refuse to quantify it. See my post above.

Are you claiming that the cloth moves before you reach it and that you can see it? I tried it dozens of times and it is impossible to see.

 

Try turning your head to the left as you trot past. Then, turn around and stand and watch it.

 

Any conspiracy theory that requires more than 1 government employee/official to keep a secret will be confirmed quickly.

Or it is just nonsense.

 

You are lying. It is impossible to see any movement when moving so fast in the split second you claim it occurs. Oh, thanks for the advice, it never occurred to me to look at the cloth/towel as I ran past it

 

The press wouldn't report it. Here's some info on how info is controlled.

(post #1087)
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=37&p=4731597&viewfull=1#post4731597

That's funny. When I trot by it and turn my head and look, I can see the same movement that the Apollo flag displays. Any viewers who have doubt can do this on a small scale with a paper towel and a doll.

 

That's funny, you are a liar. Answer my long post above.

 

The "press" is hardly the dominant source of information now. There are far too many leakers now for "official secrets" to remain secret for very long.

 

LOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!
Anything to avoid actually proving YOUR claim, right?

Yes, YOUR claim. YOU claim anyone can duplicate it but YOU have avoided actually doing so for years. Says a lot about YOU.

Of course, I'm fairly certain you're just a bot anyway so you'd be incapable of actually doing something you're not programmed to do, right?

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Because the press is the only source of info in the world, right?

Then why haven't you done it? Put up or shut up. It is YOUR claim.

 

Now there is an oxymoron fer ya!

Watch the start of this video - the explanation given for the movement of the balloons is the same that Scott gives for the movement of the flag:

Watch closely: The balloons at first move away - but then are drawn towards the moving person - exactly the argument that Scott has been making...

Balloons Move - Just Like Flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO8Fs_nfwNk

 

Nobody has disputed that air will move objects. Depending on the situation and the way the air is moved it can be away or towards the cause.

What we see in your example is that the balloons start moving as he is very close to them. He is not 4-6 feet away from them when he moves. Further, he is in a room with walls, ceiling and furniture, so the air flow is very much not un-restricted.

Nice try, but once again it fails the comparison test.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064030792#post1064030792



http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=403884&page=2&p=1064900819#post1064900819

 

They also might be afraid to come forward. Things seem to happen to whistle-blowers.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9/11+witnesses+mysterious+deaths

Thomas Baron and astronauts killed to keep Apollo program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=ZfYBJFPuiwE

Sacrifice On Pad 34.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk


They can also threaten to make something happen to a loved one. If some goons from the government paid me a visit and told my my cute little granddaughter would have an "Accident" if I came forward, I'd play ball.


There might be fewer people who knew about the fakery than we think.

http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
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Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.

A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
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Anyway, your argument doesn't make the mountain of hoax proof go away.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

 

The suffix to that question should be: 'For instance, would you speak out?' That shuts them up!

 

You have nothing. Every point dealt with and dismissed:-

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

Round and round we go, your wheel of repetitive spam is just insane. I have no idea how anyone can continue making the same claims without removing dead links and debunked crap. Your continued reposting of this unaltered wall of spam is dishonest and disturbing.

Do you have a problem replying to posts? You haven't responded to this at all. I don't expect any value when you do so, but bad manners need not be added to your fail list!

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=438617&page=8&p=1065731062#post1065731062

 

I'm in Spain and I have a Spanish keyboard so I'm not sure which keys alt gr and prt sc are. Anyway, it's a lot of trouble to go through for nothing since the movment of the flag is consistent with the Bernoulli Effect. The case is pretty much closed and your not recognizing it really doesn't mean anything. The only thing that matters is whether you're having any succese at convincing the viewers; I'd say your successs rate is close to zero as you've been saying some pretty lame things.

 

Google it you coward!

Sheesh, the Bernoulli effect? You need to brush up on some physics. The whole point that you make is simple wave dynamics. The Bernoulli issue is the behaviour from the pressure change! It is the opposite of support for your case:-

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pber.html

Pay attention to the airflow on wings and baseballs sections. Any viewers reading this will see scientific babble from you. A reader who stated quite categorically that he saw movement after he passed by contradicts your lie about seeing it before. There would be slight movement (very close) before in a restricted area with furniture, walls and ceiling, but the claim of 4-6 feet away is ridiculous.

 

http://www.keyboardco.com/product-images/filco_majestouch_2_spanish_filco_2.jpg

The alt gr key is the same! The prt scr key is next to F12 labelled impr pant (prt scr on the front!).

That is so typical of the lack of effort you ever put in.

Why is your wall of spam the same, with numerous dead links? Never revised, debunks never removed. Are you suggesting that none of your crap has been explained properly?

 

Regarding your claim I doctored my video - prove it - I just showed you how. Just because you are dishonest, doesn't mean people are who know what they are doing! I predict that you will avoid doing this, just as you have done for your trotting video.

Regarding your claim of seeing the initial movement - it is impossible for you to see any small movement before without slowing the video and isolating frames. You are the liar and everybody who sees this will know it.

Regarding you dismissing it as acamera anomaly - yet the lens flares move which you are too ignorant to understand. In addition the entire flag moves not just the corner(which you deceptively concentrate on!) and areas of terrain seem to move right. This all starts occurring the split second Dave Scott enters the frame when he is well over 6 feet away from the flag. You keep playing dumb about this.

Regarding your constant repetition about the two movements being inextricably connected - I genuinely think you are doing this deliberately. Nobody can be that stupid not to read properly what I just posted. Here:-

1. He kicks soil, it strikes the flagpole before he reaches it, because it travels faster than he does. He then collides with the edge of the flag with his elbow as he goes past.
2. It is a camera anomaly, the lens flares move, so does the flagpole and entire flag. He then collides with the edge of the flag with his elbow as he goes past.
3. His footsteps cause minor vibrations that judder the flagpole before he reaches it. He then collides with the edge of the flag with his elbow as he goes past.
4. Static electricity discharges against the flag before he reaches it. He then collides with the edge of the flag with his elbow as he goes past.

Two different things. The second one does not depend on the first. It starts moving very much before he gets there, but that doesn't mean he doesn't then strike it.

Do you understand?

Regarding support for your claim - Descartes highlighted Bernoulli's principle which makes the flag start moving TOWARDS the causative force. Did you miss that stunning rebuttal? Did you miss the fact that my video demonstrated that perfectly? Yes, of course that doesn't count because you are too locked in to the spam. In addition, although he agreed with you that the cloth moves, he confirmed that it was only visible afterwards. You are cornered but sadly are too locked in to your spam to see it.


Explain with citations how air moves something a few feet in front of it. Explain properly how the wind tunnel doesn't explain exactly how air movement works.

 

He is very close to them when they move TOWARD him but I think that the most interesting thing about this video is that the balloons start to move OUTWARD from him when he is quite a distance away...

 

Seriously? You classify that as "quite a distance away"? He is in a small room, the room has walls, a ceiling and furniture. They are also directly in front of him. They are extremely light and susceptible to the smallest of draughts. He is nowhere near the 4-6 feet away we see on the moon footage.

As I said nice try, but not even close to a comparison.

 

As an object moves in air it creates a pressure wave in front of it (high pressure) and it creates a lower pressure to the sides and back (low pressure) - this is consistent with Bernoulli's Principle and this is exactly what we see in the flag movement and also in this video:

Balloons Move - Just Like Flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO8Fs_nfwNk

 

An object has a variable boundary layer and according to differences in air constriction in places like a kitchen with furniture, it will create a small pressure wave accordingly. However, when in a more open environment, that wave has for more area to dissipate sideways along the path of least resistance.

Stop tip toeing around my major points and answer them. For one your partner claims that he can see the cloth move before he reaches it, whereas you say you look back to see the movement. I say it is impossible to see any initial movement in that split second. Are you now changing your tune?

Now, explain why Jarrah White's video shows no movement until he has past by it! This is Bernoulli in action, as he passes the flag the lower pressure from behind him drags the flag towards him as he moves past:-

[video=youtube;V2uhMQXRegc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2uhMQXRegc[/video]

How come your balloons move slightly about a foot away, whilst his flag does not?

 

I agree that the balloon video is not a perfect experiment - but it certainly gives some credibility to the "Wall of Air" thesis.

Forgive me for this:

Tip Toe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMbQsKJ64S0

This slight initial outward movement may require recording to see properly. I think that the previous extensive analysis of the flag videos show that this is exactly what happens - and I have no partners...

Here is a good simulation of the movement of sound waves - not quite the same as Bernoulli - but similar:

Sound Waves from a Moving Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zu5SGllmwc

If you want to argue about an experiment - at least choose one that is relevant. Jarrah is moving perpendicular to the flag not parallel or at an angle. Think of your airplane wing - air moving perpendicular to the edge of the wing would not lift your plane!

From above: NOT relevant!

 

It does no such thing. Apollo 15 is over 4 feet away when there is motion. The balloon in an enclosed small system is nearer 1 foot and is a very flimsy object.

Totally irrelevant.

At last we see that you belong in the same group as cosmored/Scott!

The experiment is a flag straight ahead. Now I asked you quite specifically why the flag did not move as he approached it, just like the balloons. Now answer the question. We both know it dismisses your claim outright!

You use movement on flimsy balloons in a small kitchen, whilst ignoring no movement on a similar flag to Apollo.

Do you claim to see any movement before you trot by your cloth?


Two questions, what's the betting you avoid them!

 

The balloons move when the man is > 4ft away - it is obvious.

Not irrelevant at all - sound waves are caused by the movement of air molecules just as pressure differentials are caused by the movement of air molecules. The title of the video could just have easily been called "Bernoulli Pressure Differentials Surrounding a Moving Object":

Bernoulli Pressure Differentials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zu5SGllmwc

Yes I do! It happens quickly I admit and it is small - but it is there

Beta, your own video shows movement of the flag! Check out at the 0:50 mark! There is movement but you are claiming pixelation in your own video!

Beta's Own Video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2uhMQXRegc

Beta, You are always asking me questions, now I have one for you:

Do you think that it is possible that the Apollo moon landings were faked?