The Futility of the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence

Was it aliens:

 

Wow - that sounds like a close call!

I'll have to say that viewing that as a case of ET out for a spin in daddy's ride is freakishly nutty, though.

 

Apparently not everyone is discounting the possibility:

 

I've ALWAYS supported the observations of pilots.

That's not the issue.

The issue is whether that cruise missile looking thing came from somewhere else in the galaxy - or beyond.

Leaping to an ET explanation is just plain silly when there are ample domestic explanations.

 

The FAA weighs in:

 

Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth, by Avi Loeb, Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard University, where he was the longest serving chair in the history of the astronomy department.

 

Well, I wouldn't call that "weighiing in".

They just made more information available.

 

Strong points.

Another kind of more prosaic problem relates to telescope power we're creatiing that will be capable of examining the atmospheres of exoplanets we've found. Within a few years we may find planets with "too much" oxygen or other atmospheric characteristics that might suggest life. Maybe we'll find more phosphine.

Yet there won't be any way to verify what's actually going on.

But, we WILL have plenty of ammo for the Avi Loebs of now or the future to propose little green men with literally no possibility of verification in their claimed efforts to ensure we keep "open minds"!!

Look how excited we got over the chemistry of meteors from Mars, Oumuauma, phosphine on Venus and lights seen by pilots.

 

Is a 'reveal' in the works:

 

Throughout your posts, you see "establishment" as an indication of failed science. You reject establishment out of hand - showing willingness to accept pretty much ANY answer not held by significant scientific bodies.

But, now you seem to suggest THIS establishment (longest serving chair at Harvard) as a credit? Normally, you see that as calcification - strong indication of a dying organization.

Or, are you suggesting that anything Loeb says must be given little respect?

Or, are you missing that Loeb doesn't believe the LGM connection with Oumuamua that he hinted at, apparently mostly for fun and games?

Or, are you just promoting ideas that seem to appeal to you?

 

I don't "promote" anything. I present positively those ideas that make sense to me.

 

A reveal? Yes, there will be one if I read his calm demeanor right. I don't know what the timescale will be, however.

 

Maybe even a second reveal:

 

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Anyone here remember back in October 2007 when Comet Holmes was in the news and how it unexpectedly flared while in the "arm of Perseus" [actually, it was in the asteriod belt.] I thought maybe it hit an asteroid ??

A close relative was a deep space scientist for NASA at the time, so I emailed him [my email title "Comet Holmes"] to ask a "comet expert" what he thought of the comet flaring. He emailed back his typical "I know nothing" response... and I forgot about it.

Then several weeks later, out of the blue I received another response to my email ["Re: Comet Holmes"] from my NASA relative. This time he cc several other NASA people. But all he said was to pay attention to the second half of a SETI article at the link he provided --->> http://www.space.com/searchforlife/071206-seti-aliens-apart.html

That SETI article was entitled "Aliens Apart" and it basically said that the universe is so vast, even if there are other intelligent beings out there we might never cross paths. But here's the interesting part... just past the middle of the SETI article was a humorous reference to aliens causing havoc in Perseus' Arm - same area of the sky where Comet Holmes had mysteriously flared!

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Here's an interesting recent UFO article:

US Navy ‘has discussed possibility UFOs are coming from underwater base’

EXCLUSIVE: Jeremy Corbell, who released the now-famous "pyramid UFO" videos, says craft seen swarming US Navy ships are "transmedium" – meaning they can operate both in the air and underwater

30 APR 2021

" Tic-tac UFOs and other mysterious “craft” seen swarming US Navy vessels in recent years could be coming from an underwater base, officials have supposedly speculated.

Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell hit headlines around the world when he released the now-famous “pyramid UFO” video, taken by crew aboard the USS Russell off San Diego in July 2019.

He also shared bombshell images of another object appearing above the USS Omaha in the same month before it apparently “descended into the water”.

Both sets of material, published on his website extraordinarybeliefs.com, have been confirmed by the Pentagon as genuine. "


entire article and video at link

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/navy-has-discussed-possibility-ufos-24015616

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There certainly are real issues with the vastness of this universe and our limited ability to explore it.

As I understand it, there are plans for a telescope that can examine the atmospheres of Earth sized planets that are in the habitable zones of stars that aren't red dwarfs - red dwarfs being relatively bad news.

I think the claim that the pyramid UFO is extraterrestrial has been debunked. In fact, I don't know of any UFO sighting that doesn't have a rational Earth based explanation.

 

This is a very interesting article on U.F.O.s by The New Yorker. It is very long (like everything The New Yorker publishes) but I did have the patience of reading it all.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously

I've been uninclined to believe in the extraterrestrial origin of U.F.O.s but some of the evidence from the US Navy, US Airforce, and Chilean and British air forces among others, is very compelling, in the sense of certain phenomena that were caught on radar and video and witnessed by serious people (military pilots) that behaved in ways that man-made technology is incapable of. So, like the article says, some serious people do introduce the hypothesis of non-man-made technology to explain these phenomena.

Yes, I'm well aware of the obstacles to interstellar travel (one of the reasons I was always skeptical of U.F.O.s being E.T.s) but it is actually not impossible that other civilizations have developed solutions that we don't even start dreaming of, and are indeed able to visit our humble planet.

If we just dial back a couple hundred years, a lot of our existing technology would be completely unknown to scientists of the time, and would appear like magic or something impossible. If another civilization is, say, 2,000 years more advanced than ours, who is to say what solutions they would have for what we see today as insurmountable barriers (like the speed of light)?

 

The Futility of the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence


Well at least we know that we have something in common with extraterrestrial beings, a lack of intelligence.

Do you think if these folks are smert enough to travel here from another galaxy in the Milky Whey they would do it in plain sight of the barbarian creatures on the Earth who have only evolved to the state of self extinction?

 

Wait till the believers find out that "UFO's" are a purely natural phenomena, like ball lightening. Many frowny faces I imagine.

 

I haven't seen that slow them down. And, I'm sure you would agree that it won't be possible to debunk each and every claim.

Frankly, I'm not so worried about UFO conspiracy theories.

The conspiracy theories related to the Republican assault on our democracy are FAR more important, as our very form of government is at stake.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter how many of those theories get debunked, either. They STILL get used as a justification for assaulting democracy.

 

Wow you really went off the rails into TDS land.

Let's stick to UFO's in this thread shall we?

 

You are the true believer. You believe something you can never prove and can never be proven, and without any evidence. So your claimed day will never come, At least true UFO believers have witnesses, military encounters, RADAR tracks and actual evidence on which they base a belief. Yours is rooted in nothing but ego..

 

Ghosts also have witnesses. So do Leprechauns.

By the way I'm not saying there isn't anything there, I'm just saying that there is zero proof that it's extraterrestrial in nature. So until there is actual evidence of aliens, I'll default to a natural phenomena that just isn't understood yet.

But by all means, don't stop believing.

 

We can expect that ET kids are just like human kids...they beg their dad to use the family vehicle, and they promise they won't exceed WARP 9 speed, but once they are out, and impressing the gals, they put their foot into the accelerator, and before they know it they're at WARP 15-16, and do a fly-by of Earth with no hands on the wheel then race home before ET dad finds out what happens...

 

The liberal intelligentsia weighs in: