The gay attack on religion is dangerous

I don't remember any gay people killing Christians but I do remember Christians dragging a gay person behind a car till he died.

You are free to leave if you hate it. Good riddens to traitorous right-wing trash.

 

they are about attacks against a people. It is a hate crime to fire bomb a white person's home if he moves into a black neighborhood.

 

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Public accommodation laws. Don't like them don't operate a business open to the public and instead hide behind your non profit churches if you want to discriminate against gays.

Good thing your side is losing the battle.

 

No. Hate crimes are crimes with the "intent" to harm someone who is of a protected group. Whites are not a protected group, which is why so few criminals that target whites are charged with hate crimes.

Hate crimes are silly. All crimes are bad regardless of the criminal's mindset. If a white man rapes a black girl because she's black, he'll be charged with a hate crime. But if he rapes her because he's a perverted freak, he won't be charged with a hate crime. Who gives a crap? The girl got raped either way and the rapist should go to prison.

Liberals try to control the "thoughts" of others, which never works. A crime is a crime is a crime.

 

not an attack on religion. 1st one is a reaction to bigotry and the second is a reaction to someone who showed up at a gay pride event to be critical of them. So both are reactions.

 

Uh........arson is a crime period.

 

No it is not....that is just a hateful thing to say.

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Good thing we live in a country where that doesn't matter. Your religion is the law of the land.

Apparently we can't get you to spell either. But you would have to recognize a legal marriage if you offer a service to married people.

You don't hate homosexuals but say hateful things. Good for you. I don't hate bigots I just think bigots are a perversion and I don't have to recognize their rights.

No you are just discriminating against them and in some places that is actionable in court. It isn't rocket science.

 

no they are not. Sorry you should read them

No so few are actually hate crimes, like a majority of crimes. The real issue is when prosecutors try to use the hate crime charge as a bargaining chip with it shouldn't be charged.

so there should not be an upcharge for terrorism? So a man builds a bomb and places it on the sidewalk, it doesn't go off and he is caught. Should he be charged with littering?

You don't see a difference? Really?

You understand there have always been levels of charges in the justice system right? No? Attempted murder is a crime of thought, like terrorist charges, or any crime that is not completed just planned. This is a bad argument.

Hate crimes are crimes against a community. Randomly shooting Jews is different from shooting your neighbor who happens to be Jewish. In your scenario, raping a black woman as an attempt to scare all black women in a community is different than raping a woman who is black. Thus the up charge. Again, the use of hate crimes charges should be limited but they are special crimes.

 

There is no distinction between the person themselves and their sexual orientation. The latter is part of the former.

I know you take your religion seriously, but evidence and logic suggest that sexual orientation is innate. Yeah, it wouldn't make sense for God to create queer people, but that's only slightly more bizarre than everything else in Christianity, and reality is real regardless of what you believe in, so that isn't really persuasive.

Also: my existence shatters your conception of sexuality. I'm a bisexual man in a monogamous relationship with a woman. If I'm an addict, how can I possibly remain monogamous? I'm also a raging atheist and a moral nihilist, so it's not like I have ideas of God or right and wrong to stop me.

 

No, liberals believe in forced servitude and forced socialism. Freedom of religion trumps your so called right to my services. You keep this nonsense up and you will see a deterioration of respect for gays.

 

Public accommodation laws trump your bible. Don't like it stay out of the public sector of business. Laws are on my side not yours. Deal with that one.

 

Yep and so all those Muslim business owners who don't want to bake a wedding cake for gays or give lesbians a haircut now have to violate their own religious beliefs due to leftwing radicalism. Similarly all those gay business owners now have to do things that go utterly against their personal tastes and preferences due to their own Gay Mafia activities and the radicalism of leftwingers in general, because -- gasp! -- the law is the law and it doesn't only spit on Christianity or straight people who own small businesses. Oh my!

Really when one stops to consider the possibilities the Right can have a great deal of fun FORCING achie-breakie-hearted leftwing business owners to do all sorts of things that they find personally repugnant . . . because that's the LAW. Oh, and considering how anti-female and anti-gay Sharia Law happens to be, the Right can finally relax about the possibility of Muslim establishing Sharia Law enclaves since our radical leftists have just made that legally impossible. Sweet!

 

You need to understand that freedom of religion means I get to exercise adhering to biblical right and wrongs. But, as I've told you numerous times, I do not discriminate against a homosexual person, I discriminate participating in a sin.

It does not matter how much you wish differently, I do not owe you servitude that defies my religious beliefs. IMO, I don't owe anyone my servitude, period. But, as any normal person, I serve people despite their personal sins as long as my service is not recognizing and condoning that sin.

The fact that you persist to disclaim my rights means you truly do not respect my freedom of religion. So, why should I respect your perversion? To you, my religion is a perversion, to me, a homosexual lifestyle is a perversion. There is plenty of room for us both to live as we wish, so don't tread on me.

 

Hobby Lobby won its court case despite infringing laws. The whole purpose of the Indiana law was to protect freedom of religion, not to protect blatant discrimination. It is pure hyperbole to insist that society is out to get homosexuals and not serve them. Yet, continued pushing of this nonsense will lead to lash back, trust me on this.

Come to my shop and demand I serve you. You will get a boot out the door. Not for being gay, but for being demanding. I do not owe you anything.

 

I think the argument is not that public accommodation laws don't exist. The argument is that such laws are unjust because they constitute an initiation of force against one who hasn't violated anyone's person or property.

 

the only thing hobby lobby won was not having to give birth control. Wow huge victory lol. They still can't turn someone away because they are a gay couple.

sure thing, what is your company and where is it I can put some Facebook posts with your threat and we will see you get your ass sued off. Let's see if you got the guts.

 

Yeah and what's next, they can't give someone gasoline at the pump because a gay couple might be on their way to their same sex wedding and it would be against their religion to make sure they got there?

Sorry but spare me the bible thumping.

 

I think the point is that it's wrong to initiate aggression against someone who hasn't violated the person or property of others.

 

Birds and bees. Can't change these biological truths anymore than you can change gravity.

To not make a birthday cake for a homosexual would be discriminating the person. To not make a wedding cake against my religion is not discriminating the person, but the ceremony. To say otherwise means you are either stupid or lying. I'm not a homophobe, I'm a fascistphobe.

 

Sure thing, if you don't like it go back to 1950 in a time machine to live out your days. I love how many bible thumpers are upset because they can't discriminate. Poor little babies.

 

I missed the part in the bible where it says it is a sin to make a cake. If a bible thumper has a problem with public accommodation laws they need to find a new profession.

 

I think you're still missing the point. Anti-discrimination laws represent an initiation of aggression against people who haven't violated anyone's person or property. There are many people who oppose these public accommodation laws not because they are in favor of discrimination but because they oppose initiations of aggression.

 

Whatever you say. Funny how the majority of the folks opposed to those laws are the same ones that want to discriminate against a certain group. Funny how that is.

 

Many species have homosexual members. Most bees are asexual and there are penguins who have life mates of the same sex so your birds and bees thing is wrong.

NO it would be discriminating against the person for who they are and how they expressing their faith or culture. It would be the same if a member of a church who is against mixed race couples marrying which would be discrimination.

I am sorry you have to call me names because you don't understand your own hate. Maybe you should discuss that with your clergy while in church tomorrow.

 

Personally I oppose discrimination, but I also oppose initiating aggression against people who haven't violated anyone's person or property.