The group of people that I simply cant understand

You are incorrect. These reasons exist and have been discussed. Personally, I feel that the death penalty is appropriate as long as I can be assured that we aren't putting innocent people to death. Some think these murders should be whipped at the high cross every morning.

 

savethechildren is a blind link.
No babies are killed in the womb. No reason to be so dramatic.

 

Deflect deflect, distract, distract.

You clearly can’t justify your support of abortion.

 

They absolutely are. Denial doesn’t change that!!!!

 

Nah we both know that isn’t true. There is no more innocent person than a child in utero!!! You don’t seem to mind them being killed in large numbers.

 

There is no such thing as "abortion homicide" so your question doesn't make sense.

 

So what?


WTF does that have to do with women having the right to their own bodies? NOTHING.


Women are under no obligation to provide other people with children.

 

Yes, pregnancy harms women, enough to warrant the use of self defense IF the fetus is ever deemed a person.


To insist that gestation has no effect on a woman's body is just plain wrong...and, as usual, you have NO proof that women suffer no ill effects from pregnancy....they do...they grow a fetus inside themselves for nine months and you think their bodies aren't affected?? What an asinine idea..

 

Wrong. There is no rational argument that abortion isn’t homicide. It blatantly and obviously is!!! The UVVA backs this up from a federal law standpoint.

 

Possibly harms women is NOT the threshold for self defense! Imminent danger of serious physical harm
Or death is the threshold!!!!!!!

 

Yes, imagine I went down the street killing people because they could possibly harm me.

Maybe I was in an unsafe neighborhood and felt unsafe. Someone seemed like they could be following me, and I didn't like how they looked at me. Better knock them off just to be sure...
That's what a woman does when she terminates during a perfectly normal pregnancy.

These days, with modern medical care, a woman is more likely to die in a car accident than die in a pregnancy.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Yes, pregnancy harms women, enough to warrant the use of self defense IF the fetus is ever deemed a person.


To insist that gestation has no effect on a woman's body is just plain wrong...and, as usual, you have NO proof that women suffer no ill effects from pregnancy....they do...they grow a fetus inside themselves for nine months and you think their bodies aren't affected?? What an asinine idea..

No, that is not the standard for self defense....

No, pregnancy does harm women and causes enough damage to warrant the use of self defense.


Rant on, it won't change

 

Do you honestly think, even despite scientific evidence that proves women suffer damage and pain during pregnancy..do you REALLY think a woman grows a human for NINE months inside her body and has no damage ? No pain?


AND even if there was no damage at all the fetus still has no right to use the woman's body to sustain it's life.

But you two think that the fetus just floats inside the woman for no reason so why don't women just take the fetus out and have it set on a shelf and let it grow on it's own since YOU contend it has no effect on the woman it's in then IT OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T NEED HER...RIGHT!

 

Historically, many catholics & other religious liberals were opposed to both, which is somewhat consistent... a sanctity of life issue. But the left has morphed the classic liberal position of protecting the lives of the unborn into a women's reproductive rights issue. So many liberals have embraced the position of abortion, while still keeping their opposition to the death penalty. So for them, it is alright to kill unborn innocent babies, whom they deem inhuman, while protecting murderers & anti-human criminals.

It is a definition problem. Instead of seeking a moral or even scientific basis for human life, the left merely 'defines' the unborn as 'not human', so they do not deserve protection. Yet they grieve & are filled with great compassion for the plight of a mass murderer on death row. I find it very ironic that they can dismiss an innocent unborn without any consideration of rights or value, yet fight for the life of a sociopathic killer

 

Feel free to prove none of this happens:


Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

 

Hogwash.

You: "" whom they deem inhuman,""


OK NOW show where I, or any other supporter of women's right to their own body, has EVER said a human fetus isn't human.


OK NOW SHOW where all "liberals" are against the death penalty....or grieve for mass murders....silly hyperbole when one can't come up with facts...

 

Scroll back and read to what I was responding, that's what.

 

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Bluesguy said: ↑
No it doesn't and they will have a wonderful life with loving parents."""""""
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Foxhastings:So what?


WTF does that have to do with women having the right to their own bodies? NOTHING.


Women are under no obligation to provide other people with children.""""""


THAT is what I was responding to.

 

You're dodging the main point of the OP. Liberals ARE, as a whole, both pro abortion and anti death penalty. How do you reconcile these conflicting views? Divert attention? Act indignant? Pretend there is no disconnect?

"If you don't consider the unborn 'inhuman', how can you justify killing them? If it is ok to kill people of inconvenience, why not kill murderers and sociopaths? Why the disconnect between these ideals?"

 

If you do not think that is the threshold, you simply don’t know what you are typing about!!!!

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
OK, You could NOT :

show where I, or any other supporter of women's right to their own body, has EVER said a human fetus isn't human.
SHOW where all "liberals" are against the death penalty....or grieve for mass murders....silly hyperbole when one can't come up with facts...

...so had to go into a stereotypical anti "left" rant instead

Nope, I don't know anyone who is "pro-Abortion". I do know people who are Pro-Choice, meaning they believe women have the same right to their own body that YOU have.

Easy, fetuses are not legally "persons" and criminals are.

How do you reconcile Anti-Choicers supporting war and executions(of possibly innocent people) with their idea that a fetus should be protected at all costs (even taking away people's right to their own bodies)

A human fetus is human and I have never known anyone sane to say anything different...YOU have not shown anyone who did.


It is "human" (adjective), it is NOT A human(noun) as in legal person. One has to be born to be a legal person.

No "people" are killed in abortion.

I have no problem with the execution of murderers and sociopaths when the proof of their guilt is overwhelming.....although jailing them for life is cheaper for taxpayers.


If "all life is precious" why the disconnect between that and killing murderers.

 

Is not the opposite just as true?
RWers pro death penalty and anti abortion.
But IMO, those are just stereotypes. But how do you reconcile those conflicting views?

 

Justice for evildoers, vs protection of the innocent.. what conflict? Both are motivated by protection of society, from evil acts. The first is to thwart aberrant behavior from sociopathic people, the other is to defend the innocent from those who would kill them for no reason.

Unfortunately, this might imply that the motivation for leftists is to destroy society with anti-human, antisocial acts, justifying and defending those who do such things. That is at least a logical answer for the OP. The result is the same, whether killing babies, or coddling murderers..

 

When it comes down to it, we can disagree with those who support choice and oppose the death penalty, but one would have to be an idiot not to understand why they feel that way. Its just not that complicated.