The group of people that I simply cant understand

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  1. Whaler17

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    All of this nonsense has been debunked repeatedly!!!
     
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    Which had nothing to do with what I said.
     
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    See, you can reconcile the differences. So can the other side.
    Now if RW death cultists can stop from destroying society with vengeful acts.
    And if RWers can stop emotional rants about killing babies and destroying society in the process. Things can move forward.
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    No, it has never been debunked....and , as usual, you can't prove it...:)
     
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    Very ironic...
    :roflol:
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Lethal force in a self defense requires a threat of IMMINENT death or SERIOUS bodily INJURY.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, pregnancy harms women, enough to warrant the use of self defense ….

    And, since there may be no warning, pregnant women do not have to wait until they're dead to fight back.


    Feel free to prove none of this happens:


    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.





    And please don't be one of those "people" who pick out "stretch marks" as the only harm women incur....ya, I know that's stupid but posters have done that...
     
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  8. FoxHastings

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    When the use of deadly force is involved in a self-defense claim, the person must reasonably believe that their use of deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's infliction or great bodily harm or death, so in reality the use of deadly force does not require "grave bodily harm or death.", grave bodily harm is also known as serious bodily injury which is defined as "the serious physical harm caused to the human body." It usually refers to those injuries that create a substantial risk of death or that cause serious, permanent disfigurement or prolonged loss or impairment of the function of any body part or organ.
     
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    You left out the immient part.
     
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    Lethal force in a self defense requires a threat of IMMINENT death or SERIOUS bodily INJURY.
     
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    Nice rebuttal. I accept.
     
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    Yes, pregnancy poses an imminent threat.
     
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    No to the woman's life nor serious bodily harm. And of course no one objects to abortion when there is an imminent threat mother's life or serious bodily harm.
     
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    There is an imminent threat from the moment of conception when her immune system is compromised.

    Some states, like Nebraska , include pregnancy in " bodily harm" when describing attacks and list it along with broken arms and other physical damage.


    YOU may not consider the following bodily harm but most people do because it IS:

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
     
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    Maternal mortality in the United States
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    Maternal mortality refers to the death of a woman during her pregnancy or up to a year after her pregnancy has terminated, if the death was related to her pregnancy.[1] The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) monitors maternal death per 100,000 live births. The CDC reported a baseline rate of 18.8 maternal deaths per 100,000 births in 2016,[2] which was higher than anticipated. In 2014 there was a 26.6% increase representing 23.8 maternal deaths per 100,000 births.[2][3]

    By 2010, although the United States was spending more on healthcare than any other country in the world, more than two women died every day during childbirth, therefore making maternal mortality the highest in the United States compared to 49 other countries in the developed world,[4] three times higher than neighboring Canada.[5] In 2016, as many as 900 women between the ages of 16 and 43, died from pregnancy- and childbirth-related causes.[6] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declares that 60% of these deaths are preventable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_United_States

    A pregnant woman has a chance at death.
     
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    Imminent
    likely to occur at any moment; impending:
     
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    dairyair said:
    A pregnant woman has a chance at death.



    NO, death does NOT have to be imminent to employ self defense....for anyone...

    AND self defense can be used if one is being harmed by another as in the case of pregnancy.

    As long as fetuses are NOT deemed "legal persons" it isn't necessary to use self defense...but once they are it works perfectly.
     
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    Its not self defense; it is liberty. She can rack up frequent flyer miles at the abortion clinic for any reason she chooses. All I ask is that I don't have to pay for it.
     
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    To use lethal force it, or threat of serious bodily harm, most certainly does. Stop pretending otherwise, but thing everything about your defense of killing babies in the womb is pretend.
     
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    I am the choir.
     
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    Yeah, it has many MANY times! But please continue it is funny in a very pathetic way.
     
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    Exactly! No imminent threat of serious injury or death!

    A chance doesn’t mean a high probability, that is where your lack of logical rationale kicks in again.
     
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    So she aborts to fit into size 6 heels.


    ONCE AGAIN proving how much of this has to do with plain vanity
     
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    How many women who get an abortion go on to risk their lives being placed under anesthesia for cosmetic surgery?
     
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    I am sorry you don't know the laws on self defense and obviously there is no one you will believe and even reading the law wouldn't help...so, shrug...makes no difference..
     

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