The group of people that I simply cant understand

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by logical1, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. FoxHastings

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    """"""""FoxHastings said:
    Yes, pregnancy harms women, enough to warrant the use of self defense ….

    And, since there may be no warning, pregnant women do not have to wait until they're dead to fight back.


    Feel free to prove none of this happens:


    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.





    And please don't be one of those "people" who pick out "stretch marks" as the only harm women incur....ya, I know that's stupid but posters have done that...

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    What has that got to do with anything?

    Are you implying that women who have abortions should be forbidden to have any other surgery !!!?????
     
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    Sorry but everyone who knows self defense law believes me and not your fallacious claims that the threat does not to be immnent
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    Prove people don't believe the law.
     
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    No, YOU SAID : ""
    Bluesguy said:
    Sorry but everyone who knows self defense law believes me"

    YOU
    said it, YOU have to prove everyone believes YOU

    ....which is what YOU said.
     
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    Who in this thread believes your claim you can kill someone in self defense when the threat is not imminent. I've read no one supporting your claim quite the opposite. Still waiing for you to cite where the law supports your claim.
     
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    :)No, YOU SAID : ""
    Bluesguy said:
    Sorry but everyone who knows self defense law believes me""""""



    YOU said it, YOU have to prove everyone believes YOU

    AND YOU DID NOT PROVE THAT...:)


    NOW since a pregnant woman is being harmed from conception when the embryo first affects her immune system,circulatory system,etc., she is being harmed.

    If ANYONE is being HARMED they may stop the harm BEFORE THEY ARE KILLED.

    IF there is only one way to stop the harm ANYONE may kill the one doing the harm...

    A woman can hardly flee from the one doing the harm.

    Self defense may be used without imminent threat of death.....we are allowed to use self defense to stop being harmed...
     
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    Lethal force only if there is IMMINENT danger to life and limb.

    Is the Threat Imminent?

    As a general rule, self-defense only justifies the use of force when it is used in response to an immediate threat.
    https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/self-defense-overview.html

    USE OF DEADLY FORCE
    There are two primary statutes in Florida outlining when the use of deadly force is justified so as to avoid criminal liability. Under Section 776.012, Florida Statutes (Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” Law), a person is justified in using deadly force (and does not have a duty to retreat) if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony or to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.
    http://www.husseinandwebber.com/case-work/criminal-defense-articles/self-defense-florida/

    Prove otherwise
     
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    Pregnancy is an immediate threat from conception on.

    NOW since a pregnant woman is being harmed from conception when the embryo first affects her immune system,circulatory system,etc., she is being harmed.

    If ANYONE is being HARMED they may stop the harm BEFORE THEY ARE KILLED.

    IF there is only one way to stop the harm ANYONE may kill the one doing the harm...

    A woman can hardly flee from the one doing the harm.

    Self defense may be used without imminent threat of death.....we are allowed to use self defense to stop being harmed...
     
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    Imminent threat to life and limb, no it is not it is a normal condition for females of the species, nature did not make pregnancy and imminent threat to life and limb. It a medical condition arises that makes it so of course no one I know of objects to an abortion since the child would die also.

    Stop with your fallacious claims else prove that you can kill someone who is not posing a imminent threat to you.
     
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    Sorry, but your denial that pregnancy harms women and can causes physical damage up to death is just that, denial.

    Science, a MUCH more dependable source and accurate , says otherwise and your "nature" does NOT rule people's rights.
     
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    Sorry but you attempts to claim pregnancy poses an imminent danger to life and limb of a woman as required to use lethal force in a self defense are absurd and certain are not supported by science or medicine.
     
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    So, according to you, women do not have a right to self defense and , MUST let others harm them and can ONLY fight back after they're dead...



    Well, you're wrong...


    What else can be done to women? Guess it's OK if they're beaten not quite to death everyday so it's legal and they can't fight back or defend themselves...?????


    Would you allow yourself to be "slightly beaten/slightly injured " everyday and take it without fighting back? Really? That's the LAW????

    I don't think so.....you're still wrong...

    Long before death is imminent one has the right to self defense....
     
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    It absolutely is not!!!!!!

    There is no imminent threat justifying homicide in a pregnancy situation . You are being irrational!

    Emotion doesn’t sway anyone’s opinion, show us some logic!
     
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    I've said no such thing so don't post lies when you can't refute the facts and your specious claims are refuted.
     
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    No, this is what I actually posted : ""So, according to you, women do not have a right to self defense and , MUST let others harm them and can ONLY fight back after they're dead...""

    Then explain why women must allow themselves to be harmed when NO one else has to....
     
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    And I have made no such statement stop posting a lie.
     
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    OK, how about I make it a question?


    ""So, according to you, women do not have a right to self defense and , MUST let others harm them and can ONLY fight back after they're dead..."" ??

    Then explain why women must allow themselves to be harmed when NO one else has to....


    Can you explain why women must let themselves be harmed when no on else has to????
     
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    If you post this lie one more time it will be reported to the mods, got it?
     
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    OK, so ASKING you to explain doesn't work ??....(shrug)


    ""So, DO YOU BELIEVE women do not have a right to self defense and MUST let others harm them and can ONLY fight back after they're dead..."" ??
     

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