The Handmaid's Tale

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  1. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not the post I was talking about. It's the others. Were they all satire? I doubt that.

    I hear you on all of those things for women. I don't have issues with those things. Never did, though many times you make it seem like I do, or you think I do.

    Why are you explaining them to me?

    The title 9 thing, I didn't know, but I, nor my children were athletes with that kind of ability.

    I asked how you helped make those changes? Did you go to Congress and speak? Write letters? Rallies are meh. They do help. You gave the impression you had something more than those to do with the changes. That's why I asked.

    So, you make me out to look like I hate women and the strides they have made by your interpretations of my posts. You make me seem like I don't like minorities and I'm a Nazi, again, by your interpretations of my posts.

    Yet, you don't consider that analyzing? Amazing....really, because that's exactly what you are doing when you give your opinions of me without asking what I meant. I offer you the same service, yet you think it's analyzing? No, sorry, you don't get that luxury. You are as wrong as you think I am.
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Same except location and age.
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After all this, which can be seen in this thread and others,


    You think I believe this and you can't understand how I might think it? Yeah, quit playing head games and acting innocent. I bet your eyes are brown, you are so full of it.

     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, bu, it's not the same thing. Look it up. If you can't, I'll be happy to help you learn the difference.
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Learn away.
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Were you serious or being satirical? I mean facetious.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    psychoanalysis psy·cho·a·nal·y·sis (sī'kō-ə-nāl'ĭ-sĭs)
    n. pl. psy·cho·a·nal·y·ses (-sēz')
    1. The method of psychiatric therapy originated by Sigmund Freud in which free association, dream interpretation, and analysis of resistance and transference are used to explore repressed or unconscious impulses, anxieties, and internal conflicts. Also called psychoanalytic therapy.

    2. The theory of personality developed by Freudthat focuses on repression and unconsciousforces and includes the concepts of infantilesexuality, resistance, transference, and divisionof the psyche into the id, ego, and superego.

    3. Psychiatric treatment incorporating this method and theory.
    ---------------------------------
    BEHAVIORAL PROFILE
    n. a summary of the characteristic traits and behavior patterns of an individual. Through tests and experiments, a more detailed profile is formed from the scores obtained on each trait and the pattern observed in these scores. These are expressed as standard scores and percentiles.

    BEHAVIORAL PROFILE: "Although statistical and numerical, a behavioral profile can be very descriptive in that it reveal's a subject personality traits and behavior patterns."
     
  8. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, I guess @Renee was wrong. This book does have a great effect on Women's Rights Group members. Fantasy is taken for what? Yeah, just like I've been saying.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Serious. Text is a very inefficient means of communication. Great for short messages and numbers but not for discussing complex ideas since it lacks facial expressions, tone, body language and other cues associated with face-to-face communication.

    Not everyone does it, but if I'm joking or be satirical, then I'll usually include a smiley face or other indication of humor.

    For further learning:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-novel-perspective/201301/the-trouble-texting
     
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    Nope, haven't done that. However, it may be said @Renee has done summaries of my characteristic traits and patterns. That makes her the one doing psychoanalysis, as well as you, Max, according to your post admitting it. (see underlined, emboldened text under "Behavioral Profile")

    My post in jeopardy is actually a guess and question. I never said I was any kind of psychoanalyst or therapist. That's exactly why I phrased it all as a question.
     
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    I agree. I'll take a read of that link. Hang on.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She's usually wrong, but you are wrong to take cherry pick and extrapolate that to fit your vision of woman's rights. Women are marching all over the world and you snip out "a group of woman wearing red cloaks" in Palm Beach? WTF? What about the vagina suits and pussie hats?

    "Thousands of people on two continents picked up the baton from the United States and rallied Sunday in solidarity with women demanding equality, justice and an end to sexual harassment.

    Demonstrations in London, Paris, Sydney and other European and Australian cities followed much larger women’s marches held Saturday across the U.S. to mark the anniversary of President Donald Trump’s inauguration, as well as the protests it inspired
    ....

    ......In Palm Beach, Florida, home to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, several hundred people marched Saturday carrying anti-Trump signs. A group of women wearing red cloaks and white hats like the characters in the book and television versions of “The Handmaid’s Tale,” which imagines a future in which women’s rights have been strictly limited, walked in formation with their heads bowed.

    On Saturday, Oklahoma City protesters chanted, “We need a leader, not a creepy tweeter!
    ”"
     
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    I can't speak for others, but I've noticed there a a clique of far LWers who never fail to bitch about men and hammer any man who disagrees with them. Note who "likes" who, who reports who, which posts are ignored, bitched about and are reported against. From those behaviors you can start drawing deductions about their actions, including predicting their behavior. This is what science is based up; predicting the outcome of events. Same goes for behavioral sciences.

    You're still confusing psychoanalysis and behavioral profiling. If you want to continue conflating the two, that's your choice but IMHO, it makes someone look as silly as someone who confuses sea water with lake water and think it's safe to drink both because they're both wet.
     
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  14. Chester_Murphy

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    All quotes from this link: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-novel-perspective/201301/the-trouble-texting

    I'm not trying to have a relationship with @Renee. She is trying to prove me a misongynist and I'm telling her I'm not. She has also attempted at length to prove me a Nazi. Stating that she knows more about Nazis than I do because her parents told her about them. In the mean time, I have provided in threads which I fail to recall, links to my claims. I may have here. I just don't remember.

    Agreed. This isn't new to me. It is interesting. Notice I have asked things and got responses that were deflecting or changing the topic or question in some manner. You can go back through this thread and see those. You've comment, Max, about it happening. It's undeniable.

    This is a good question and begs further, why are there websites where debate and disagreement occur at all? Why does anyone create a thread? In fact, by this quote, if you agree, you should get off of this or any website where there is written communication and never go again.

    1) I'm not avoiding anything. This part of this thread wouldn't exist if my vulnerability wasn't quite evident.

    2) This goes back to number one. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Also, you can type what you are feeling. I have.

    3) I have had very little control of this conversation. I've taken attack after attack and tried refuting, but found it difficult because of all the deflection and so forth. Again, Max, you've complained about it in this very thread.

    4) In this case, no one is getting my phone number and I would not expect anyone here to be that open, even if I asked to test them. No one here is a child. No one here is under educated or has expressed a learning disability.

    The only differences are genders. This is the women's rights section, Max. You mean we have to be careful what we say because women are not equal to men? Is that what you are trying to teach me? If so, just say it. I can argue the other side of that right here in the place it should happen on this forum.

    No kidding. Then, we can be nicer to the weaker gender than they are to us.

    Okay Max. I'm listening. I got a great deal off my chest. Fire away.
     
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    You are going to have to explain how that is cherry picking when the thread is about the impact of the book. You aren't making sense. You are angry and that is fine. Can I tell what your emotions are? Sure, I think. Frustration and anger at what you think is an inability of me to understand. I do understand.

    None of the rest of that stuff is relevant to the book. Okay, I'll discuss other things if someone brings them up. I'm not a Nazi. oh wait.....lol

    You want to talk about vagina suits and ***** hats, then we can after this or tomorrow or whenever.
     
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    All popular books have impact. This one has had impact since the 1990s. So what? Why is this such a big deal to you? Is it the discussion earlier about your general view of women?
     
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    Just because a post hits close to home, doesn't make it psychoanalysis. I did the same thing as you, except I guessed and asked if it was true, after posting my conclusions. Guess what the difference is between what you do and what I did? I posted my thoughts openly and asked about them. You don't. That's actually all there is to it.

    Now, if I was a psychoanalyst or posted that I was, it would be a different set of circumstances. If I did not say I was guessing or ask if it was true, it would be different.

    Now, we've spent all this time on this bullshyte, just because women are the weaker gender, right? Or are you going to dispute the fact that you feel a bit like a knight in shining armor at the moment, defending the fair maiden? It's intellect against intellect.
     
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    LOL Okay dude. Good luck.
     
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    The only part that is the big deal is the lying that went on, the deflection and disagreement causing misunderstanding in anyone who reads the thread. No, I don't think anyone cares, but some do. They actually think we know what we are talking about when we post links and backup our assertions. Otherwise, there's not point of backing up anything and those who ask for it are out of luck.
     
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    Don't run. We can discuss the other topics you brought up tomorrow. It's all fair game in this section of the forum.
     
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    I'm actually not stating they are the weaker gender, Max. What I am saying is they say they want to be equal, and then this shyte happens. There are plenty of women who shoot me down with ease on this forum. I think it's an individual thing, not a gender issue, as most in this section want to make it.

    And, I need to extremely clear and explanatory, or what I post is taken wrongly. I wonder why that is? Who has the chip on their shoulder? Those who assume the worst and don't ask. That's whom.
     
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    Nice insult. Just as you can't tell the difference between psychoanalysis and behavioral profiling, you obviously can't tell the difference between a person running in fear and someone who simply recognizes there is nothing further to discuss. However, you are free to believe anything you like, Chester.
     
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    I can tell. You are angry. That's okay. There is plenty to discuss, unless you don't think you can be mistaken.
     
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    I take babes to chick flicks all the time.

    They love it.
     
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    What about Women's Rights in Traditional Islamic Countries ?
    Having to abide by centuries old laws made by dried up old Men ?
    Those Women must dress the right way, speak the right way,
    Walk the right way,
    Eat the right foods,
    Worship the right diety,
    Wait ! Women do have Rights in Islamic Countries !!!!

    The Right to be less than a Man.

    Two pre-emptive points, I have been to Islamic Countries,
    Womens Rights are extremely important to me.
     

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