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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    We have to define the problem.
     
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    And there's the rub, we are not all working to the same purpose.
     
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    So, the idea of ones freedom is “just stupid?”

    With a 94% recovery rate, it seems the odds are rather great that one would survive the virus, rather than die from it. To say masking will reduce death is to assume those who catch Covid are guaranteed to die. The numbers beg to differ.
     
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    First responders unfortunately die, even without a pandemic. Using the deaths of others to try pressuring people into wearing masks is really doing more than disrespecting the departed for control.
     
  5. Arkanis

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    With your implacable logic and the importance you place on their lives, one wonders why first responders wear masks?
     
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    And dismissing their deaths as “some die” and refusing to do something as simple as wearIng a mask to protect all healthcare workers isn’t “disrespecting the departed”?

    More Nurses Doctors and Healthcare workers



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    https://khn.org/news/exclusive-inve...ting-us-health-workers-have-died-of-covid-19/
     
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    What percentage of those who died were mask wearers? I would guess about 90% of them, if not more. Almost everyone I see where I live is wearing a mask in public places and shops.

    It's sad that so many die thinking a mask will protect them when they should know it was never designed to do so in the first place.
     
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    No need for a mask when injecting disinfectant and taking hydroxychloroquine.
     
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    I see you missed the point that these very same healthcare workers don’t wear a mask on a regular basis, with the exception of in a operating room.

    What is far more revolting to me over not wearing a mask is using deaths to push some sort of belief into the lives of private citizens. This is what the pro-mask community refuses to understand here. It isn’t about simply putting on a mask. It is, quite simply and clearly, the gubernatorial overreach into the private lives of citizens that are the governors boss, not the other way around.
     
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    Confronting the reality of the situation is not a telling aspect of logic.
     
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    Reducing spread does not equivocate to saving lives, because the recovery rate says one is likely to recover, not die from Covid. This data is how one can say with confidence that cares are not necessarily a bad thing.
     
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    In many cases, folks recognize their agenda requires facts different from those generated by the evidence so they lie, to themselves and others.
     
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    Reducing the infection rate saves lives because a fraction of those infected die.
    In an individual case, the person may not die. In fact, with COVID-19 the person is unlikely to pass away, although they may experience long-term negative health consequences. Thus, getting COVID-19 may be a "bad thing" for reasons other than dying from an infection.
     
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    Maybe so, they both have about the same efficacy as your silly mask does.
     
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    What??

    you have GOT to be kidding!

    Who do you thing uses all the N95 masks? :roll:
     
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    They wear a mask now because they fear getting and passing on COVID-19.
    As far as I'm concerned, you don't have to wear a mask but you should not be allowed to fly on an airplane, take public transit, or attend a public school. You don't have a right to potentially infect other people.

    This is the law...


    Here is a quarantine order for COVID-19...


    If you don't obey, you can be jailed.

    Here's my take: you don't have a right not to wear a mask.
     
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    Are herein lies the need for consistent leadership which is woefully lacking.
     
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    There is scientific evidence masks cut down transmission, mostly from the mask user to others. Why wouldn't you wear a mask in case you may have acquired COVID-19 and with the mask cut the chance you might pass it on to others?

    It strikes me you understand about masks and simply don't care. Am I wrong?
     
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    So you admit that a mask isn't designed to prevent one from catching covid, yet you want to mandate that everyone wear one? Who is of more risk to society, the millions of mask wearers collecting covid in the chamber of their masks, or a non-mask wearer without covid?
     
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    For now, yes. We should have months ago been using the DPA to produce enough high-quality respirators so individuals would be able to protect themselves against COVID-19, something a mask doesn't do very well.
    Masks save lives by reducing transmission. We have scientific evidence proving they do. I'm disappointed we're talking about masks instead of respirators that protect the wearer against the virus.

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    This $50 item with goggles, all worn properly, would stop COVID-19 in its tracks.
     
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    That's pretty cool actually, if the respirator works as well as you say it does.
     
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    Somehow states enacting mandatory mask is related to Trump and his position on vote by mail? The man lives rent free in your brain.
     
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    Whereas democrats like to deny realty and make up a fantasy world.
     
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    Or will global warming kill us first. Be very afraid!
     
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    Yes the outgoing administration that passed on three opportunities to kill UBL before 9-11.
     

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