The Holocaust: The Forbidden History.

What is the forbidden history about the holocaust? Apparently saying anything true about it. In looking around in the civil rights section, I found a thread about the holocaust. Apparently everything except the title had been removed. I am probably wasting my time. But I will give it a try.

Much of what I have to say will be in the form of pictures. The first pictures I will show you are of two plaques. The one on the left used to be at the holocaust memorial museum in Auschwitz. The one on the right is there now. The one on the left says 4 million jews were murdered there. The one on the right, though it is a little hard to read, says that 1.5 million jews died there. (Which was an overstatement) Well they were only off by 2.5 million jews. And if the death estimates were so overblown there, you can bet that they were at all the other jewish internment camps. Part of the reason being that there were no gas chambers.
The next group of pictures I will show are various newspaper articles that appeared in various newspapers a long time BEFORE WW II. They all speak of something bad happening to 6 million jews. What a sucker you would have to be to buy the same sort of crap in regards to the holocaust. The next two pictures I have to show you are of some documents that list the REAL casualty figures in many of the jewish internment camps. One of which is from the International Red Cross. Be sure to note when they were created.

For the last two pictures, you should keep in mind that Auschwitz was said to have been the worst of the worst "death camp." These two pictures show a swimming pool they had for inmates there. Not exactly the type of thing you would expect to see at an "extermination camp," is it.

 

This figure in the NYT is obviously inaccurate as there were less than 2-3 million Soviet Jews at the time. But the accepted figure of Eastern European Jews in the pre-war era was 6 million, which was cited in numerous relief ads.

192 results containing “6,000,000 Jews”:
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?state=&date1=1867&date2=1920&proxtext=6,000,000+Jews&dateFilterType=yearRange&rows=20&searchType=basic&x=0&y=0

 

I don't know how many jews there were in Russia at the time. But did the guy just pull the figure out of his ass? Was he listening to what jews were telling him? Or was he jewish himself. What I think is going on is that the 6 million figure is some sort of holy kabbalah number or something. Also, you included something that looks like an old newspaper article. How old is it. Because it says there were 3,500,000 jews in the U.S. at the time. But as of 2007, there were only 5.3 million jews in the U.S. If the picture you showed is very old, the jews must not be having very many children.

 

According to the Jewish site, the American Jewish population was around 3.3-3.6 million in 1920. The current Jewish population is over 7 million in America. This relief ad by the Jewish relief committee was released in 1920 in a local newspaper in Tennessee and similar ads appeared in many other local newspapers in America.


The Chattanooga news. (Chattanooga, Tenn.), June 18, 1920, Night Final BASEBALL, Page 21, Image 21

 

I don't think I've read quite as much detritus as I have on this thread.

 

I see. If the 3.5 million number came from some jewish organization, it is probably just as much BS as the 6 million number. Also, according to the numbers you speak of, there must have been quite a jewish population explosion between 2007 to 2017. But then again, those numbers did apparently come from thejewishvirtuallibrary. Let me give you a little advice. In most cases, don't believe anything a jew says. And if they say something is good, chances are just the opposite is true. Don't believe it? Go to the religion section and read my thread and what I added to it called, "Respect for the jewish religion?"

 

the 6 million figure is likely false.

its more like 5.3 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

this includes death by gassing, shooting, starvation, torture, exposure to the elements, disease in the camps, and any other unnatural deaths of Jews while in a death camp, concentration camp, or ghetto.

but it is an indisputable FACT that millions of Jews were intentionally MURDERED by the Nazis and their allies.

 

around 3 million Polish Jews were murdered.

800,000 from central europe.

1 millions from Ukraine.

that's 4.8 million Jews right there.

 

That's the problem, I'm not "brainwashed" as you call it.
[If you don't believe any of this, I have something that you will have even more problem denying. Up to the challenge?]
I've bested people who were far more dogmatic and it saddens me that anyone would reduce something like this to a contest.
[Go to the religion section and read my thread, "Respect for the jewish religion?" Along with the things I added to it. Let me know there what you think of it.]
I think its an irrelevance when it comes to debating the holocaust.

 

Here's some alternative info.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

 

Alternative doesn't mean truthful

 

Here you have the most accurate chart with exact numbers. Now, please see a psychiatrist.

 

What does everybody think of this?

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/HoaxV2.pdf
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------
The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938. 17 Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the fore-most expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which ap-
pears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given but the figure is appar-ently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac re-vised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 74, 1948 (page 572) and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic
), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
----------------------------------------

http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------
No Evidence Of Genocide

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78. By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).

 

Have you actually read the ICRC report of 1948? If you had then you would know this tiresome little excerpt is little more than a tissue of lies.

 

Really? Did he ever mention where those gas chambers were? Because there wasn't any anywhere that I heard of.

 

Well stop talking and try "besting" me.

 

Your answer is in post #9.

 

How did you avoid being so thoroughly brainwashed. If you are White, you are a very rare person indeed. And of superior intelligence. Though if you are a muslim or something, then it is no big deal. Because from what I hear, most of them believe that the holocaust was largely a hoax too. Unfortunately, they also believe some pretty rotten crap.

 

Tissue of lies? Tell me, do you also believe that there was a lampshade made out of jew skin? Or that some jews were turned into soap?

 

I read some of it a while back. This site used to have photos of the actual pages of the book.
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

Later it was hacked or manipulated somehow and it only showed half the pages so it couldn't be read. Now all of the pages are gone.

No matter what one's stand is, there's always a document somewhere that will say what that stand is. Documents aren't conclusive proof of anything so we have to look at the clear evidence such as this.

http://germarrudolf.com/germars-vie...t-the-gas-chambers-of-auschwitz-and-birkenau/
(excerpt)
--------------------------------------
No less false are the times alleged for the ventilation of mortuaries 1 (the ‘gas chambers’) of crematoria II and III, since the witnesses proceeded on the mistaken assumption that a single air exchange would remove all the poison gas. The delay in the reduction of the remaining concentration of hydrogen cyanide means that in a realistic scenario the required ventilation time would exceed that recounted by the witnesses by a factor of 10 or more (diminished circulation due to the bodies, ‘short-circuit’ of air, aftergeneration of gas from the Zyklon B). As well, the problem of continued aftergeneration of gas from the remaining Zyklon B, which would have made it impossible to work within the chambers without protective clothing in anything less than 2 hours even with ongoing ventilation, also prove that the witnesses have not told the truth.
The ‘gas chambers’ of crematoria IV and V as well as of Bunkers I and II would have had to be designed and built as instruments of mass murder if the mass gassings alleged to have been planned and in progress during the construction of these facilities had really taken place; yet even Pressac admits that the gassing procedures attested to were illogical and ridiculous, and highly dangerous to the Sonderkommandos in particular. In the face of all this, anyone approaching this issue from a scientific and technical perspective cannot but conclude that the alleged murderers went to great lengths to devise the most expensive, complicated, dangerous and problematic way to kill people en masse. For example, the coal-refining BUNA works of I.G. Farbenwerke AG, only a few miles away, could easily have provided a cheap supply of coal gas high in carbon monoxide for poisoning, or bottled nitrogen for asphyxiation.[141] But in Auschwitz, of all places, it had to be the expensive, scarce and awkward-to-use Zyklon B that was used, even though it was badly needed everywhere else for pest control. Yet in other alleged extermination camps far distant from the BUNA plant, carbon monoxide is said to have been used to kill people, and to have been generated for this purpose with Diesel engines from captured Russian tanks, whose exhaust fumes, however, contain only non-lethal quantities of carbon monoxide when operated in neutral gear (as they would have to have been).[142]
-----------------------------------------------

It seems that it would have been impossible to remove the bodies from the gas chamber the way they were removed according to the official story.

I'm a white American. I've been living abroad for about twenty three years now so I learned a lot about American imperialism by talking to people and reading stuff that wasn't available in the states before internet so the idea that the US government would tell a gigantic lie didn't surprise me. When I started hearing about the holocaust issue, I actually looked at the revisionist side instead of just dismissing it and they seemed to make a pretty good case. I collected some info on it.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

Check out post #1. It seems the government lied about what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war too. That's one confirmed lie. If there's one, the idea that there are others wouldn't surprise an objective person.

 

You are aware of the paradox that was created by that sentence?

 

Well no because that was just a rumour.
If your argument is that if a rumour about lampshades is false then the holocaust must be false; then all I can say is that you really need think very carefully about your position.

 

Why did you need to refer to that site? You can still look it up on the ICRC website. I even provided a link which gave all three volumes of the report to another poster who promptly refused to acknowledge it.

No it really wouldn't which is why the workers were given gas masks.

 

Have you seen this?

Buchenwald a Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil (Full Video)



The lampshade issue is the first thing dealt with in that video. Check it out and tell us what you think. It looks like it was a deliberate lie, not a rumor.

Here's something about the soap issue.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml

 

Check out the info at the top of post #2 here.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

I'll take a look. I haven't been too concerned with mere documents as they can be written by liars. I've been looking more at physical proof.