The Holocaust: The Forbidden History.

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You haven't provided any physical evidence whatsoever.

    As for your "flintalk" crap, You actually are offering up two of hitlers thousands of speeches and claiming that these prove he wasn't a fascist racist murdering madman.

    If a doctor behaved like you do, they'd call him a quack and revoke his license.
     
  2. Scott

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    Nobody who takes the time to watch these videos will agree with you.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Auschwitz+-+Why+The+Gas+Chambers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ONE+THIRD+of+the+HOLOCAUST+&sm=12
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BUCHENWALD+A+Dumb+Dumb+Portrayal+Of+Evil+&sm=12

    You're trying to sway those viewers who haven't looked at the revisionists' side of the story. Using tactics such as that constitututes losing the debate. If you were an objective truth-seeker, you'd say why the proof presented wasn't valid instead of playing dumb* about it.


    That's a pretty simplistic view. I'll copy what's said in the link.

    Are you saying that the US government didn't lie to the American people about what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war?


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    9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean those infintile and compeltely sophistic videos full of lies, misrepresentations and rather dramatic examples of profound ignorance? You mean waste the time watching such jew hating nazi apologist garbage?

    I don't have to sway any viewers who haven't heard the revisionist side of the story, since I welcome everyone to examine its jew hating bullshit and encourage all to laugh at a bunch of jew haters running around attempting to justify their jew hatred to other jew haters.

    I thank you for providing me with endless opportunities to expose the idiocy of "holocaust revisionism" and the clowns that inhabit that space. Rarely do I find people willing to indulge me my little "crusade" so its with a wonderful turn of irony that you and yours continually to do so. thanks.

    Yes, playing dumb seems to be the only way to communicate with denialists on any meaningful level, since its obvious they aren't smart enough to even recognize how foolish, dishonest and shallow they behave in a rather pitiful attempt to project "objectivity". I always wondered how anyone who starts with a conclusion and then attempts to shape evidence and arguments to support that conclusion can be taken seriously - oh wait denialists aren't, so..........never mind.
     
  4. Scott

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    More hand-waving.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving
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    Hand-waving (with various spellings) is a pejorative label for attempting to be seen as effective – in word, reasoning, or deed – while actually doing nothing effective or substantial.[1] It is most often applied to debate techniques that involve fallacies, misdirection and the glossing over of details
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    You didn't directly address the issues. That little rant of yours would get you laughed out of the debating hall.

    Please give your analysis of those two speeches of Hitler's that I posted.
     
  5. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amazing how it just doesnt' sink in.

    My analysis of two from literally thousands of speeches hitler made? AFter much hard work and in depth research I have concluded that these speeches clearly indicate he was a jew hating. egomaniacal, racist ******** ideologue. Much like most of his current admirers and defenders.
     
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    You're being deliberately obtuse. The point made in these two videos...
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...s+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union&sm=12
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...r:+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12

    ...is that the German people and soldiers didn't have world conquest in mind when they invaded the Soviet Union and Poland as Americans are taught. The US government is deliberately lying about history.

    Check out this info too.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ter-ww-ii-we-defeated-the-wrong-enemy.468435/
     
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    Here's something interesting.

    http://codoh.com/library/document/4028/?lang=en
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    The decoded messages enabled the compilation of very exact statistics. The radio messages from 28 October 1942 – taking a single day at random – reveal, for example, that Auschwitz Concentration Camp contained a total, all told, of 25,298 inmates: 18,754 men and 6,544 women; including 10,755 Jews, 8,822 Poles, 1,369 Russians and 1,578 Germans. It was also learned that there were exactly 787 Zugänge and 168 Abgänge on 28 July 1942; Zugänge referred to the arrival of new inmates; Abgänge referred to deaths, executions, releases and inmates transferred to other camps.
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    With regard to the Holocaust, the Abgänge were naturally of particular interest. In actual fact, the monthly number of Abgänge in the year 1942 fluctuated in an unusual manner. While the number of Abgänge normally amounted to approximately 2,000 inmates per month, there was a great increase in these figures in July, August, September and October. For example, 8,352 Abgänge were reported for the month of August 1942.

    As is readily apparent from the radio messages, this unusually high number of Abgänge was due to a typhus epidemic at Auschwitz.[6] Typhus, sometimes also known as “camp fever” is, as is well known, transmitted by fleas and lice; under poor hygienic circumstances it will inevitably appear in almost any such camp. According to the decoded radio messages, it took the Auschwitz authorities approximately four months to bring the epidemic under control. The numbers only fell back down to the average figure of approximately 2,000 Abgänge per month in November and December 1942.
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    More here...
    http://codoh.com/library/categories/933/
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find it hilarious that you suck this crap up. Apparently your "objective analysis" of the "facts" doesn't require you to read Mein Kampf. If you did, you wouldn't post such ignorant nonsense about germany's motivations for war. Addie had the serious hots for LABENSRAUM. You don't even have to read mein kampf, since he was so adamant about it that it pops up frequently in EVERY serious history of his rise to power and the commencement of the war.

    You have one of the weirdest definitions of "objective observer" I have ever encountered. I'd hate to see what you consider subjective.
     
  9. Scott

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    You look silly in the eyes of people who've watched the videos. You can't make that info go away by pretending it's not there. Your credibility is shot.
     
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    You keep trying to attack my credibility because you have nothing else. You repeatedly refer to the same tired old bullshit. You cannot produce a single shred of "new evidence" just regurgitate the crap. I have no doubt that videos are necessary to your cause because so many of your comrades can't read more than two paragraphs without getting a headache.

    The logic holes, the massive leaps of logic, the misdirection, the outright lies, the idiotic inferences, the ignoring of facts, and the sophistic catering to the audience's hatreds, myths and neo-nazi wet dreams.

    Perhaps as a bastion of credibility you can explain the lies of Zundel, Leuchter, Rudolph, Krege, Ball, Mottognno, Barnes, Butz, Faurisson, Irving, etc. etc. that are regularly used as "evidence" in your world. When confronted with the very words of the perps themselves, you attack their credibility. When confronted with forensic evidence, you attack the credibilty of the science. When confronted with visual evidence you attack them as fake.

    But feel free to make yourself look like every other jew hating nazi-apologist I have ever encountered, which considering the hundreds I have confronted over the decades, you fit the base line perfectly, even to the point of strict aryan adherence to the playbook.
     
  11. Scott

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    So you're calling this proof that the government lied to the people about what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war, "The same tired old bullshit".
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...s+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union&sm=12
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...r:+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12

    The way you're dealing with this issue would get you laughed out of the debating hall. An objective truth-seeker would say that this is quite an important fact and would modify his or her opinion to fit the new info. Any child could see that you're not an objective truth-seeker. You're all washed up. You can pretend all you want.
     
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    Seems you mistake propaganda for actual reasons.

    What was the reason for going to war in Vietnam? Oh yeah gulf of Tonkin incident.
    What was the reason for invading Poland? Oh yeah, false flag Operation Himmler.
    What was the reason for invading Iraq !!? Oh yeah, wmd.

    Seems you just lap up the propaganda and not the actual history because the propaganda is, to everyone's utter shock, bullshit excuses for underlying reasons.



    I am not surprised you have completely omitted an important element of "an objective truth-seeker". You see "new info" doesn't equate to "true info" and when it comes to holocaust denial there isn't any "new info" to support your idiotic contentions, but there's a substantive amount of new info that continually debunks them. Not that you can actually ascertain since the sole source of your denialism is a couple of nazi websites.

    You and yours remind me of the black knight.

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    You didn't address the issue of what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war. You're not going to make it go away by ignoring it. All of the viewers can see it whether you recognize that it's there or not. You're just making yourself look silly by pretending that issue isn't there.
     
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    Why should I address it? Is that because you want to absolve the german people of any taint of Nazism?

    As to what the soldiers were thinking, in the wehrmacht it was a german's patriotic duty to defend the fatherland from its enemies REGARDLESS of politics.

    As to what the german people were thinking, they were initially happy to have a strong leader and a recoverying economy, until the rumors and the disappearance and Kristallnacht and the nuremburg laws and the confiscations and the relentless hatred being spewed by the propaganda machine.
    According to my relatives, "everyone knew the jews were disappearing" and few were willing to "investigate" and of course NO media available to them mentioned it (no free press in naziland).

    You are making yourself look even sillier when you consistently demonstrate your lack of understanding of contemporary conditions in Germany, you inability to separate propaganda from fact, you rejection of all evidence that contradicts your entrenched beliefs, your repeated churlish attempts to attack my credibility, your pathetic appeals to others who aren't even reading this stuff, since most ignore jew hating denier posts and I am merely indulging in my hobby of confronting nazi loving jew hating holocaust deniers.

    You've been attempting to bite for quite some time, while flopping on the ground? If you were older, I'd swear you were the guy underneath the spiffy black armor with no arms or legs.
     
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    When you tap dance around the issue of the fact that the US government lied to the American people about what the German people and soldiers were thinking during the war*, you just make yourself look silly. You're not fooling anybody. You're all washed up. You have no credibility.


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    (post #1 here)
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
     
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    I'm not tap dancing and you are deliberately trying to obfuscate. OF COURSE during a war there is propaganda. AFTER the war, the truth comes out.

    As for credibility, all you can do is repeatedly attack mine, whilst not offering up anything of substance other than the bullshit that denialism is based on.

    As for your credibilty, I guess the fact you are using another forum's postings from a jew hating nazi apologisits data dump of all things denial somehow provides you with credibility.

    So keep up your stupid efforts to question my credibilty. The only people who can't think any better than you would give it a second thought.
     

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