The Holocaust

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  1. Liebe

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    Warning: All images in this entry are shown in full, not screened out for graphic content.
    There are many dead bodies. The photographs are graphic and stark. This is the reality of genocide, and of an important part of World War II and human history.


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    One of the most horrific terms in history was used by Nazi Germany to designate human beings whose lives were unimportant, or those who should be killed outright: Lebensunwertes Leben, or "life unworthy of life". First applied to the mentally impaired, later to the "racially inferior", or "sexually deviant", or merely "enemies of the state" both internal and external. From very early in the war, part of Nazi policy was to murder civilians en masse, especially targeting Jews -- which later in the war became Hitler's "final solution", the complete extermination of the Jews. Beginning with Einsatzgruppen death squads in the East, killing some 1,000,000 people in numerous massacres, later in concentration camps where prisoners were actively denied proper food and health care, and ending with the construction of extermination camps -- government facilities whose entire purpose was the systematic murder and disposal of massive numbers of people. In 1945, as advancing Allied troops began discovering many camps, they found the results of these policies: hundreds of thousands of starving and sick prisoners locked in with more thousands of dead bodies. Evidence of gas chambers, high-volume crematoriums, thousands of mass graves, documentation of awful medical experimentation, and much more. The Nazis killed more than 10 million people in this manner, including 6 million Jews. (This entry is Part 18 of a weekly 20-part retrospective of World War II) [45 photos]


    http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/world-war-ii-the-holocaust/100170/

    So what where is the hoax part here? Which part is faked? Anyone care to elaborate?
     
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    Yeah, but, none of those involved said that they didn't do it which proves that they were tortured into admitting that they were involved and thus proves that the entire thing was a hoax, including Himmler's diary!
     
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    I'm not really sure what you want to discuss, but I will say that there is a far larger holocaust going on right now.

    - the perpetrators?
    Western financial institutions and companies

    - the victims?
    the worlds starving

    - the numbers?
    Unfortunately billions
     
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    I doubt there's many people in the west who don't know of the Holocaust Liebe, what are you trying to prove?
     
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    Wat has this to do with the 'Latest World News'?
    In this Forum we should talk about Genocides that HAPPEN TODAY!

    BTW, they do not call this historic event 'Holocaust' any more.
    They call it Shoa.

    The term 'Holocaust' is an ancient Greek word that means 'whole-burnt-sacrifice' or 'burnt offering'.

    The term 'Holocaust' which refers to Shoa was inroduced by the American film industry, but not accepted by the religious Jews.
     
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    Whenever the Israeli racists are being particularly oppressive and obstructive we are told to talk about the Holocaust. I suppose we could put money into Time Machines, if we had any. I can't see what else would help.
     
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    Western financial institutions and companies arent to blame for the worlds starving millions, if anything they help provide the resources for poverty to end in these countries. It seems to be fashionable these days to blame poverty on the affluence of the west but I dont agree.
     
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    This thread is in the WRONG FORUM. Liebe is, demonstrably, aware of the conditions for posting in the Latest World News forum and has ignored those rules. For the sake of consistency please report this thread and have it moved.
     
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    Really? So you think the WD and IMF are there to help the 3rd world and not the West? Why are they then including conditions to open their markets to the West for food into WB loans? Why have the futures markets trippled the sale value of basic food stuffs over the las ten years or so? This is happening now. Great for our Western companies, great for stock traders, really really bad if you live in a 3rd world country, who's farmers couldn't compete with the subsidised Western imports and went out of business. Leaving the people of these countries at the mercy of the global "free market" ("free market" in quotes, as it isn't "free" - the West subsidises their own farmers).

    This is not fashion - this is the reality.

    Staple food stuffs have trippled in value. There's your free market and how it's helping the worlds poor.
     
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    Who should do that for you? Was that a general instruction?

    In the interests of consistency, it is helpful if all political opinion is moved from latest world news (such as threads about jews being the chosen people or israel's right to exist huh? :)
     
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    What is the responsibility of the third world then?
     
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    You appear a little deluded, the billions starving in the world arent starving because they cant compete with imports into their own country, to start with this is a ridiculous concept for subsistence farmers. Our western lifestyles have little to do with the poverty they live in, in fact western style capitalism has decreased greatly the amount of poverty in many of these countries. You only have to look at China to see how this has occurred, since embracing capitalism albeit still under a totalitarian government the relative affluence of the average person has skyrocketed. People are still starving in the world because of corrupt governments and cultures, billions of aid to africa ends up in swiss bank accounts, India has a culture dedicated to keeping 30 perecent of their population in poverty. These are the issues you should be looking at.
     
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    Holocaust denial? On PF. Woah My God!!!!:bump:
     
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    I don't believe in the Holocaust.

    If it was real there would be no Israel, no hordes of Jewish freeloaders streaming into America, no "survivors" filling our children's heads with fairy tales about human lampshades.

    If the holocaust was real, it would be a national holiday. People all over the world would celebrate the destruction of this race of criminals who call themselves the "chosen ones".
     
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    Satirical right?
     
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    And just how many german prisoners (including female civilians) did the Americans kill in this same way during the occupation??? Answer: several million. We never hear about that. Then there were all those horrible attrocities committed by American soldiers- attrocities so bad we would only have expected to have come from the nazis!


    What about the Ukrainian famine? Why do the jewish concentration camps get so much attention in the history books?

    The Ukrainian famine in which 14 million died as a result on intentional policy. More than twice as many Ukrainians and Georgians died as a result of the persection against specific nationalities and ethnicities than the number of jews that died around the time of the second world war.
    (not only that, but many of the jews who died may have actually died from the russian occupation rather than intentionally being killed by the nazis)

    http://www.artukraine.com/famineart/stvictims.htm
    http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/serbyn/

    Stalin actually appointed Jews in administrative positions to carry out his dirty work, both because the jews had less affinity for the russian people, so tended to have less of a problem persecuting the targeted ethnic groups, and because the jews were not particularly liked by the russians so the reasoning was that the jews could deflect the blame away from Stalin (the Kremlin has had a long history of using the Jews or Chechen/Azerbaistani muslims to deflect away blame). So while jews in germany were suffering under german prison guards, jewish prison guards in russia were abusing other russian ethnic minorities on the same scale.
     
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    Hitler was killing a lot of his own people. Ashkenazi Jews. Some call it Divine Justice.
     
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    some day you might want to take the time to find out what typhus is,and what it does to people. It Emaciates them....What happens when there is no food because the allies bombed the supply lines? When there is no medicine???? Now a 7 year old child should be able to answer this one....you starve,Jews starved at the end of the war along with plenty of Germans........disease like typhus and typhoid were rampant...

    Here is an easy one,WHAT to do with a body when you have no fuel,and the ground is frozen so you cant bury it??/ Wish it away perhaps,but that didnt seem to work,so they left them as they were...

    Why do you suppose that the Germans were rounding up Jews and putting them in camps??? Just for the hell of it??...No the Zionists stabbed Germany in the back,typical Jews,sold them out for Palestine(Balfour document).....

    who started it?...Jews declared war on Germany in 1933,and was set on starving them out with economic sanctions....some people like you just cant grasp the concept of media control,the only people more brainwashed than Americans,is jEWS
     
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    The Jews declared war on Germany on March 24, 1933.]

    The New York Times, Monday, August 7, 1933 (text of Samuel Untermyer's address)

    Samuel Untermeyer

    The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people. - Daily Express, March 24, 1933

    "All Jews world wide -- declared war on the Third Reich." (The London Daily Express, Front Page Story, 3/24/1933).

    "Judea declares War on Germany." (Daily Express, March 24, 1934)

    "The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and, not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany to its final end." (The Jewish newspaper, Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939)

    "Germany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued with deadly hatred. The goal of Judaism of today is: a merciless campaign against all German peoples and the complete destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of trade, the importation of raw materials stopped, and retaliation towards every German, woman and child." (Jewish professor A. Kulischer, October, 1937)

    "Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German is our moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the aged! Kill every German -- wipe them out!" (Llya Ehrenburg, Glaser, p. 111).

    "Step by step, I have arrived at the conviction that the aims of Communism in Europe are sinister and fatal. At the Nuremberg Trials, I, together with my Russian colleague, condemned Nazi Aggression and Terror. I believe now that Hitler and the German People did not want war. But we, {England}, declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of Balance of Power, and we were encouraged by the 'Americans'{Jews} around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler's pleading, not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that Hitler was right. He offered us the co-operation of Germany: instead, since 1945, we have been facing the immense power of the Soviet Empire. I feel ashamed and humiliated to see that the aims we accused Hitler of, are being relentless pursued now, only under a different label." (Ashamed and Humiliated The British Attorney General, Sir Hartle Shawcross, said in a speech at Stourbridge, March 16/84 (AP))

    "Our fight against Germany must be carried to the limit of what is possible. Israel has been attacked. Let us, therefore, defend Israel! Against the awakened Germany, we put an awakened Israel. And the world will defend us." (Jewish author Pierre Creange in his book Epitres aux Juifs, 1938)

    "Germany must be turned into a waste land, as happened there during the 30-year War." (Das Morgenthau-Tagebuch, The Morgenthau Dairy, p. 11).

    "The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every conference, in all labor unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of general importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany..." (Valadimir Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934)

    Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends.
    - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933. Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933

    Samuel Untermeyer was a Jewish leader and close friend of presidents Wilson and Roosevelt. Bernard Baruch (Jew) was a presidential adviser to Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman.

    Joining with Samuel Untermeyer in calling for a war against Germany, Bernard Baruch, at the same time, was promoting preparations for war against Germany. 'I emphasised that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit.' - Baruch, The Public Years, by Bernard M. Baruch, p.347.

    "...Jabotinsky insisted that all energies be expended to force the Congress to join the boycott movement. Nothing less than a 'merciless fight' would be acceptable, cried Jabotinsky. 'The present Congress is duty bound to put the Jewish problem in Germany before the entire world...(We [Jews] must) destroy, destroy, destroy them, not only with the boycott, but politically, supporting all existing forces against them to isolate Germany from the civilized world...our enemy [Germany] must be destroyed." (Speech by Vladimir Jabotinsky, a Polish Jews, on June 16, 1933)

    For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany. Collectively and individually, the German nation is a threat to us Jews.
    - Vladimir Jabotinsky (founder of the Jewish terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934 (also quoted in Histoire de l'Armée Allemande by Jacques Benoist-Mechin, Vol. IV, p. 303).

    Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon.
    - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book The New Holy Alliance)

    We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany.
    - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in I Testify Against The Jews by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 and The Jewish War of Survival by Arnold Leese, page 52).
     
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    right from the beginning it was a psy-war operation.......here,one of the typical scenes shown in holohoax documentaries has the director accidentally step in front of the scene used later to manipulate dumb goy...
    http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/buchenwald/videos/2.wmv

    odd that a Hollywood type director Billy Wilder was at the liberation of a camp,maybe it was just coincidence....
     
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    ALLIED MILITARY POLICE HEADQUARTERS...VIENNA... JAN 10th , 1948.

    Memo Nr: 31/48

    "The Allied Committee of Inquiry has to date proven that no poison gas was ever used to kill prisoners in the following concentration camps......

    Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau,Flossenburg, Gross-Rosen, Mauthausen, and satellite camps..Natzweller,Neuengamme, Niederhagen(Wewelsberg), Ravensbruck, Sachsenhausen, Stutthoff, Theresienstadt, In all cases where gassings were alleged, it COULD BE PROVEN THAT TORTURE WAS USED TO EXTRACT CONFESSIONS, AND WITNESSES HAVE LIED. Any former inmate who,during their debriefing continues to allege that Poison gas was used to murder people(in particular Jews) are to be reported to this office, and if they insist on lying further, they are to be charged with perjury."

    Signed Major Miller
    Commanding Officer..Allied Military Police Vienna

    witnessed by: Lieutenant Lachout MP
     
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    So the people nazis took with trains and never came back leaving their property , stores , houses etc behind , where are they ?
     
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    MEDICAL DOCTORS WHO ENTERED CAMPS AFFIRM THAT THERE WAS NOT DELIBERATE MURDER OF ANYONE,DEATH WAS FROM DISEASE AND STARVATION......


    When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

    Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

    Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]
    Typhus, Not Poison Gas

    If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.

    As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was DISEASE, above all TYPHUS, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.

    Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows: [5]

    Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an astounding sight, a mixture of humanity traveling this way and that, homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...



    Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases." [6]

    Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

    Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.
     
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    That's because American forces overran CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

    The Soviets overran the EXTERMINATION CAMPS.
     
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    Nuremberg Show Trials

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    From page 2 (Section 2, a & b) and page 3 of Erhard Milch’s spoken statement, sworn and notarized on 9 April 1947.

    Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch

    In this connection I would also like to convey the following facts: On 17 September 1945, Major Emery, an interrogator from England, whom I already knew as he was known in England, or “Englishman”, as he was known in Germany, sought me in my quarters in the Kaufbeuren Interrogation Compound. I suppose that his real name is different. He was, as he had once old me, a New York banker. He commanded the American interrogation group to which a Capt. Tracy (also a cover name, most likely) also belonged. The American interrogation group was located in the English interrogation compound of Camp 7. Mr. Emery asked me about my ancestry, meaning that if I were of jewish ancestry, be would be able to remove me from all further prosecution. As I informed him that his supposition was not pertinent, he thought that be could not change things. The same gentleman visited me in Nuremberg on 5 November 1945, as I was just being questioned by an American interrogator. By chance I heard that it was a Major Mohagan (?). After a short conference, Emery Mohagan asked that we be left alone. Emery then said to me that if I were to make more favorable statements on behalf of Göring, Speer and the other accused in the International Military Tribunal, I must myself reckon with a war crimes trial against me. I replied that I took part in no war crimes and I could not see how I could be tried. Emery answered: “That is a small matter. If we wish, we could try every German, regardless if he committed crimes or not. Why do you want to stand up for Göring, Speer et al.? They would not do it for you, and I shall give you some good advice: It is in your own interests to testify against these people.” I replied that I could only tell the truth and that my person played no role in this matter, and that I did not fear a trial. Emery answered: “You must consider that you are still young, that you can again play a role, and that you must think of your family.”

    Naturally I refused his offer, even if it were well-intended. With that he concluded that he could no longer be of any assistance. In this instant I knew that they would attempt to start a war crimes trial against me. I have also brought this matter to the attention of several comrades in Nuremberg as well as in Dachau, and also to the Swiss representative of The International Red Cross in Geneva, at that time.

    (signed) Erhard Milch

    The above signature of Erhard Milch, given at the Nuremberg Justice Building, before Attorney Dr. Friedrich Bergold, is hereby attested and witnessed by me.
    Nuremberg, 9 April 1947
    (signed) Dr. Friedrich Bergold
    Defence Attorney for Military Tribunal II
    Nuremberg

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    The above is an all-important document proving clearly how brutal and unjust the Allies and their mostly jewish trial specialists were in laying trumped up charges against German leaders.

    Translated from the German by E. Thomson
     

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