The Holocaust

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  1. DrewBedson

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    Not faith but rather historical fact. I have read through it all once and no longer have to do it every day over and over again to prove it. That's what's nice about historical fact, it goes through the peer reviewed cycle and then becomes enshrined in intellectual and historical truth whereas you and your sources are at the edge of kookdom and find your intellectual fodder on hate sites frequently run by white supremacists who write non peer reviewed blogs.

    Have fun!

    I do too and recognize a Holocaust Denier when they pop up like the whackamoles they are. Nothing illegal about being one just as there is nothing illegal about being a racist.

    Don't need to be a mechanic to know a car runs on gas down the road or be a pilot to get on board an aircraft. Why on earth do I need to do the math and research to verify a known historical fact I wonder. Do you go to archeological digs around the world to prove to yourself that all history both recent and ancient is correct or do you draw a line only when it is Jews involved?
     
  2. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am quite interested in ancient history and archaeology. I see the Holocaust camps as a crime scene. Yes there is no dispute that thousands died in so many, but trying to prove millions died in them is quite a bit different. Proving that a car works without being an automotive engineer is not the same as proving millions died without hard data during the Holocaust.

    There must be forensic testing done to show that 2,000 people were both gasses AND cremated almost every day the "peer reviewed" experts on Holocaust say that it happened.

    To cremate 2,000 people in one day is quite a feat, since it takes an average of 2 hours to cremate a single body in a modern oven.

    So please give me a single independent study done to prove that:

    A) 2,000 people could be cremated by the ovens that could be proven to be in the camps in a single day.

    and/or

    B) all the gas chambers and ovens supposedly used in the deaths were legitimate and were able to function as stated by your experts.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Nazis and their oven makers said it could be done in much less time.

    plus, modern cremation practises are done with utmost care, patience, and respect for the deceast.

    not so much, with the Nazis
     
  4. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess if you are one of those who believe the Nazis made UFO's in their secret bases and flew them to the moon, then you can believe that they made "Super-Ovens" that operated outside commonly understood limits of science.

    Oh, and by the way, where is there a working model of one of these ovens and the independent tests to show that it worked using pig and and animal carcasses of similar mass?
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what you call "limits of science" are actually limits due to respect for the dead and patience with the cremation process.

    normal cremators don't have thousands of bodies to burn on a daily basis.

    the Nazis did. So they found ways of reducing the time required.
     
  6. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay, then where are the modern tests done on the Nazi Super Ovens?
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    several Nazis and the makers of the ovens already stated what they beleive the daily cremation limits of the ovens were.
     
  8. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here are some facts from an outside investigation on what these ovens were actually capable of:

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html

    So even if ALL the ovens were theoretically all working full 20 hour days, they were only limited to cremating 624 people a day---not 2,000 a day. That means there was a scientific limit of only 228,000 bodies that the Auschwitz complex could cremate in one year---not 700,000---that the Holocaust insiders say.

    The article goes on the prove the great burning pits were a fabrication.
     
  9. Ronstar

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    Therefore, given the capacity of one body per hour and 20 hours' operation per day, the actual maximum capacity of the Topf cremation ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau per 24 hours was as follows: 1,040 normal bodies/day

    that assumes one body being cremated at a time at the maximum cremation time.

    however we know from Nazi and Sonderkommando testimony that they did their best to reduce cremation times and often cremate two bodies at the same time, and push in a new body before the old one was fully cremated.
     
  10. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know the article is long and probably boring, but that issue was discussed, as at most a small person and 2 infants would be the limit that could fit inside the narrow chambers.

    If you have even used a charcoal grill you may have noticed you can't just cook stuff on it 24 hours before the ashes pile up too high. Now imagine an oven big enough for a person and cleaning that out.

    A 12 hour workday is long by itself and like all other POW camps, the camps are only going to be running during the day with a more limited guard at night.
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    hahaha!!!

    Auschwitz was only active during the day?

    workers did a 8 hour work day then went home and watched tv, drank a few brewskies, and played with the kids??????????

    LOL!!!!!!
     
  12. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I need to know who to believe, the official reports that say the crematoriums were working only 12 hours out of the day or someone else?

    Could you be SO kind as to give me the very best eyewitness account of what actually went on during the gassing and cremations at Auschwitz. This should be from one of the Sonderkommandos. Please don't use this guy because of his obvious lies that conflicts with the current versions told by today's Holocaust peer-reviewed experts:



    http://revblog.codoh.com/2011/02/the-latest-sonderkommando-testimony/
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you call a Holocaust-revisionist, a liar?
     
  14. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since you are not turned-on by the science on the subject, all I'm asking for is your very best eyewitness to what reallyhappened day to day in Auschwitz, which should be from a Sonderkommando.

    Either you can do it or you can't.
     
  15. Ronstar

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    I've shown you this several times.

    Check out what this book says on page 32.
    http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/HoaxV2.pdf

    Here it is in case it goes off-line.

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    The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938. 17 Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the fore-most expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which ap-
    pears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given but the figure is appar-ently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac re-vised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 74, 1948 (page 572) and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic
    ), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
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    You continue believing official second-hand info even though I've shown you several times that official sources are the worst places to get info.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=401955&page=5&p=1066548138#post1066548138

    You tap danced around the evidence I posted here instead of addressing it.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=401955&page=8&p=1066587766#post1066587766


    Tell us why you simply believe the official info and simply rule out the World Almanac info.


    Again that's the official story. Watch this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Auschwitz+-+Why+The+Gas+Chambers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12

    It explains that the official figures were impossible. Tell us why you simply believe the official info in spite of the fact that official sources are the worst place to get info.
     
  17. Scott

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    Here's something else.

    At the 5:45 time mark of this video...
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Auschwitz+-+Why+The+Gas+Chambers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12

    ...it's said that the gas chamber doors were opened fifteen or twenty minutes after they were first closed and then they started dragging out the dead bodies.

    According to this video that was an impossibility.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sea...+Probleme+Des+Chambres+a+Gaz+FRA+avec+ENG+SUB

    It's explained again in this video.

    Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3nYJxU6SM

    When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.
     
  18. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The two articles with your best "eyewitnesses" can't even agree on important issues:

    Both say they worked in Crematorium II but say different things:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/b...derkommando-and-survivor-dies-at-88.html?_r=1

    http://www.hagalil.com/shoah/holocaust/greif-0.htm

    Unfortunately, photographic and design evidence show the supposed gas chamber in Crem II was in fact a morgue, and did not have any opening(s) at the top to pour or drop in Zyclon B.

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    Inside the alleged gas chamber, that is, morgue 1. Here, as well, there is no trace of Zyklon B introduction holes. Pressac does find a wooden plug in the vault, to which one of the false shower heads was attached, according to him, but he can find no proof that this is so. It is obvious that these plugs were used for the attachment of electrical lighting cables. Note the heavy support pillars of concrete, with the iron reinforcing rods still clearly visible.

    Some of the Holocaust mythologists claim that these pillars were hollow, so that the Zyklon, introduced from above, could diffuse through holes in the pillars.

    http://www.cwporter.com/bild3.htm

    The above link gives a good overview on both physical and photographic evidence on why the gassings were a hoax.

    Of course another false report again saying only the SS did the gassing (unlike your 1st lying "witness").

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

    However, the Zyklon B emits hydrogen cyanide gas that is lighter that air would have drifted up through the non-existent openings on the roof of the morgue and likely kill the SS doing the gassing along with their SS comrades in the nearby SS hospital.
     
  19. Ronstar

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    so where are the missing 3 million Polish Jews?
     
  20. Greataxe

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    They are as mysterious as the missing holes in the top of the supposed gas chamber.

    One in Holocaust industry can add and subtract numbers at will. Just as they subtracted 2.5 million people from the 4 million death toll at Auschwitz.

    Oh, one of your Sonderkommando books that you linked said that 3 million Jews died at Auschwitz---

    What lie am I supposed to believe?
     
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    we KNOW for a fact that there were at least 2.8 million Jews in Poland before WW2.
     
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    [video=youtube;Vsbrh-UBTBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsbrh-UBTBE[/video]
     
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    no you dont' need to know who to believe. You already have the faith that the deliberate industrialized murder of millions of people at the hands of the Nazi's did not occur.

    All the crap you regurgitate from codoh, and IHR and other jew hating and/or white supremacist sites is what you believe despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    Meanwhile you suck up the nonsense that the so-called "scientific" investigations conducted by such denialist luminaries as Leuchter, krege, Ball, Cole, Campognolo, rudolph, despite the fact that ever single one of them has been thoroughly and completely debunked (not to mentioned heaped with appropriate ridicule).
     
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    I know you are desperate to fit all the the pieces of the 6 million puzzle together---but that does not matter if you believe the "Big One" of 6 million Jews dying from a "Final Solution" order from Hitler.

    What I'm asking is how many Jews and how many people perished just at the Auschwitz camp complexes during WW2?

    One of you hallowed sources said 3 million Jews died there, but now the marker at the camp says only 1.5 million total died there.

    I can hardly understand your need to know exact numbers, as all the numbers have been all of the place by the Holocaust industry.
     
  25. Greataxe

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    A million here, 2.5 million there---

    Why should I so gullible about your Holocaust Industry experts debunking others that dare question them, when they have been debunking each other for over 70 years?

    And pray tell, who were your beloved experts who debunked what an outside researcher, Carlo Mattogno had to say?
     

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