Discussion in 'Zionist Agenda' started by Liebe, Oct 17, 2011.
it may not be 6,000,000
it may be 5,457,396
it may be 6,472,395
The same Carlo Mattogono who works for a white supremacist ?
Golly, you guys dredge up the most idiotic sources and call them historians.
Its a detailed rebuttal in five parts that Mr. Mottogno has not responded to in the two years since it was published.
Mottogno is an amateur with NO ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS and it shows in his hackneyed nonsensical "analysis". Just like virtually every single other denier - unqualified incompetent amateurs and that is a definitive fact.
You had best ask DB or other staunch defenders of Holocaust lore what the minimum # of Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis needs to be believed in order to stay in their good graces.
I think your estimate of 5,457,396 may trouble them and put you at risk of being a "Holocaust Denier."
Again, who were the Jewish Supremacists that debunked the facts on what this White Supremacist presented?
Nope. His figures round out to six million so he is in no danger of being a hateful small minded Holocaust Denier.
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Have no idea. Just know you used a white supremacist as a source. What sort of hate sites do you troll on to suck up vermin like this guy anyhow?
So what if Mottogno has "no academic credentials?" One does not need letters behind their name or be "peer reviewed" by the same biased people with a continuing agenda to get billions of dollars in reparations---to have a solid theory.
If he has solid evidence it would not matter if he was yellow, brown, black or white or even a "White Supremacist."
Looking at your link, this little internet forum is itself a prejudiced political forum (with its attacks on Trump, etc.) that does not clearly show who the people are running it, much less who wrote the rebuttal you link.
So, who are the guys who wrote it?
Now, in their rebuttal, they do not include a single bit of independent research done by anyone to replicate their claims that multiple bodies could placed in replica camp ovens and burn at the rate needed to back fill the claim that 2,000 people were routinely cremated a day.
Who else has dared to these tests? And with all the millions the Holocaust Industry rakes in, it would be a very simple task to do these experiments using pig carcasses of similar mass to humans.
Any site that questions anything said by any of your "peer reviewed" experts who are part of the Holocaust industry---who are not also part of the same industry---are going to be labeled by you as "haters."
Now, here is your chance to shine. Please name a single person outside the Holocaust industry that has had serious doubts about the many fabrications told about the Holocaust over the years---who IS NOT a White Supremacist/Hater?
Nothing wrong with asking a question. Stating in any way shape or form that six million Jews and millions of others were not systematically murdered by Nazi Germany is Holocaust Denial and pure unadulterated hate.
The Judges and Juries in the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials. Oops, sorry, they heard the cases against their own countrymen and found them guilty so I suppose they didn't get to hear crap over the years from hate mongers and white supremacists.
Your absolute views on the subject are what I'd expect to see with Radical Muslims having no love or tolerance for anyone not believing in the Koran and their prophets.
And of course the Judges were not historians or other scientists with doubts.
I do not share your 1984-esque ideas on what one should and should not believe. No wonder there is a Communist flag on your header.
Actually those judges heard from every ody including the victims, perps and investigators so there was no need for historians
A tually that is a communist flag!
While an enterprising self employed capitalizt I thought the NK flaq looked cooler than the rest so put it up for decoration.
Golly you make me laugh when you shove your foot in you mouth. My daily amusement!
You are so predictable its not funny.
mottagno's "scientific experiment" is roughly of the same laughable quality as leuchter's. But then again,real science is the last thing that deniers want to hear, it screws up their jew hating fantasies.
All you have given to "prove" your case are the opinions of some of the people who made theoretical reports on what their crematory ovens "could" possibly do---and the "eyewitness" accounts that contradict each other time after time.
What you and your Holocaust pals would have to do is have modern tests ran using independent testing firms building mock-ups of at least one double muffle oven of the designs used in the so called "death camps." Animal carcasses similar to humans could be fed into the furnaces any way possible and then ran continuously for 24 hours, or until the unit was unable to operate.
Unless real, live, independent testing is done---your testimonies are quite worthless.
There should continue to be Holocaust Doubt until the science can be reproduced and proven.
This may help: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html
"OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS FOR COKE-FIRED TOPF
DOUBLE-MUFFLE INCINERATION FURNACE
"Before charging the two hearths with coke, the two furnace dampers
and the main rotary damper in the chimney must be open.
"The fire can now be lit and maintained, being sure to open both
secondary openings to the right and left of the cinder removal doors
(of the coke furnace).
"Once the cremation chamber (muffle) has been brought to a good red
heat (approximately 800 (deg) C), the corpses can be introduced one
after another in the cremation chambers.
"Now the pulsed air blower situated to the side of the furnace should
be switched on and run for about 20 minutes, ensuring that the two
cremation chambers do not receive too much or too little fresh air.
"Regulation of the fresh air is by means of a rotary valve in the sir
duct. In addition, the air intakes, to the right and left of the
chamber doors, should be half open.
"As soon as the remains of the corpses have fallen from the chamotte
grid to the ash collection channel below, they should be pulled
forward towards the ash removal door, using the scraper. Here they
can be left for a further 20 minutes to be fully consumed, then the
ashes should be placed in the container and set aside to cool.
"In the meantime, further corpses can be introduced one after the
other into the chambers.
"The two coke furnaces must be fed with fuel from time to time.
"Every evening, the furnace fire bars must be cleaned of clinker and
the cinders removed.
"In addition, care must be taken that at the end of operations, as
soon as the furnace, having burnt everything is empty and no coals
remain, that the air valves, doors and damper are closed, so that
the furnace does not cool.
"After each incineration, the temperature rises in the furnace. For
this reason, care must be taken that the internal temperature does
not rise above 1000 (deg) C (white heat).
"This increase in temperature can be avoided by introducing
additional fresh air." (Pressac, 136)
Some flaws in the Holocaust-story:
- Gas chambers with 'wooden doors' and 'windows' in them (in stead of steel, air-lock doors),
- No ventilation system to take out the gas... so it would have just drifted out of the building, which was placed at the officers-quarters (in Auschwitz) which would be dangerous for personnel
- The massively revised death toll of 2,5 million at Auschwitz, but the total number of 6 million still stands
- No blue staining on the walls inside the alleged gas chambers from the Zyklon-B... however, there is blue staining at the delousing facilities.
- The chimney at Auschwitz gaschamber is built after the war by the Soviets and is not even attached to the building.
- At Treblinka it is said that hundreds of thousands of jews were killed with diesel gas..., but, it is very difficult and thus inefficient to kill someone with diesel-gas.. certainly when you're talking about hundreds of thousands of people.
- The cremation of a body in a high-tech oven takes about 2 - 3 hours to dissolve into ash. Those ovens of 70 years ago were not high-tech.. so how could the Germans cremate 6 million within the timespan of only 2,5 years?
- It has officialy become known the Germans never made 'soap' or 'lampshades' from the Jews, but this has been told for decades to be true.
- There's not 1 single "Nazi" document which proves the Holocaust, neither is there any forensic evidence for it....
- Why were there hospitals in the camps for the inmates if they were all about extermination?
- Why were there bakeries in the camps to feed the inmates if they were all about extermination?
- Why were there orchestras, football games, swimming pools, cantinas and even a zoo in the camps for the inmates if they were all about extermination?
- How come there are so many survivors if they would have been killed anyway? As in that case it would have been more 'efficient' to kill them on the first day right?
- There is no trace in the ground-samples of bodies at Treblinka, where hundreds of thousands are said to be buried.
All together now:
You missed the part about putting in multiple bodies.
Your fantastic claims need to be demonstrated in the real world.
Perhaps the Holocaust Museum could fund it and honor the few hundred thousand that actually did die, by proving what the laws of physics say could not happen for 2,000+ a day.
BTW, the instructions say the ovens don't run indefinately and need maintenance. So how many hours or days at a time did they work?
Just more flack being thrown up by those who just can't bear the thought that the Nazi's where in fact racist murderers.
Perhaps a qualified denier could be found to replicate the cremation process as it existed back then, instead of stupidly using contemporary commercial cremation processes to "figure out it didn't happen like that". But I doubt you could find a credible denier with the appropriate academic credentials to conduct a scientific experiment. How come that has never happened?
Wait, I know why. Its because denialist "science" isn't. Cue, Leuchter was a world reknowned gas chamber expert..................
When you can actually get around to presenting any evidence that would directly contradict the consensus opinions of literally thousands of historians, engineers and scientists who possses appropriate academic credentials and domain expertise, please get back to us all.
In the meantime keep regurgitating the slime that such scum as mottogno, leuchter, butz, cole, weber, ball, rudolph and the regular cast of shady characters puked up back in the their heyday.
""In the meantime keep regurgitating the slime that such scum as mottogno, leuchter, butz, cole, weber, ball, rudolph and the regular cast of shady characters puked up back in the their heyday.""
You never addressed this post of mine.
If the Holocaust industry had any credibility (which it never has have to begin with), then THEY should be the ones to fund modern forensic research done by independent testing labs in Asia or other places without emotional ties to the WW 2 European Theater of combat.
In fact, it would would not even cost but a few hundred thousand dollars to forge and construct an exact replica oven, provide the coke and dead animals and hire the scientists. A sum of little or no consequence to someone like Spielberg, Polanski, or Schreiber----and isn't even pocket change to a Rothschild.
Anyone from the so-called "Denier" camp ordering of doing the tests would face persecution---like Mottongo---so the tests should rightfully be ordered by Holocaust Industry insiders.
Claims by "experts" and "witnesses" are enough for the sheeple and true believers like yourself---but not for me.
Seriously? modern forensic research has been and is being conducted. Asian independent testing labs? Apparently your knowledge of modern SCIENTIFIC research does not extend to PEER REVIEW.
But of course no denier would even contemplate conducting an experiment that would definitively prove their idiotic hypotheses. Of course finding a denier that had the skills and domain expertise to conduct your requested experiment would be rather difficult since they all seem to be incompetent amateurs.
So let me get this straight. The people making the accusations of a hoax shouldn't have to prove it, because they would face persecution, so you want the "other side" to prove that your simplistic and unscientific accusations are correct?
No wonder you are a denier.
then why do you believe in denialist "experts" and "witnesses"? Why do you believe Leuchter, Ball, Krege, Cole, etc, the so called "denialist experts"? Seems you lap up the crap from those clowns but when actual experts publish their findings, they are part of the hoax, when perpetrators confess they were tortured, but of course, these accusations are accompanied by ZERO evidence to support them.
Pathetic squirming attempts to avoid the actual truth - NAZIs invented industrialized mass murder and murdered millions of people for the sole reason of their ethnicity.
Not that Nazi lovers and jew haters would suck it up and actually accept the mountain ranges of evidence that defines the holocaust.
A "peer reviewed" historian is not the same thing as a believable scientist able to reproduce findings in an unbiased testing environment.
Of course many thousands died in the Nazi camps, and ACTUAL records show that over 1,000 people died from poor health and disease outbreaks in a single month and were attempted to be cremated---however---even 1,000 a month was a challenge in Auschwitz, let alone 2,000 cremations a day.
All of the revisionist historians you despise are going to have exponentially greater credibility than a fellow Jewish Holocaust Industry apostle who can and will say anything to keep the billions of dollars flowing in.
Again, why don't YOU demand the Holocaust Industry prove its claims of cremating 2,000 a day with the resources they had on hand in Mid 1943?
I bet you really don't believe it would work, and the Holocaust people know it won't work either.
What utter nonsense. Firstly, all primary research has to take place at treblinka, using lidar, gpr and excavation ON SITE in a systematic documented fashion, so there isn't any unbiased "testing environment". And as to the findings, they are published in a paper that is then PEER REVIEWED to ensure that the methodology was correct, the raw data was correctly interpreted and the conclusions valid.
Dr.Caroline Sturdy Colls is not actually an historian, she is a forensic archaeologist, a fact you would know if you had taken any time at all to review the link.
are you truly this ignorant of how science works?
Bullcrap. Maybe you can produce some actual substantiation of this outrageous claim?
To the best of my knowledge, there are no deniers that are accredited historians. lots of amateurs, lots of charlatans and zero credibility who can and will say anything to support their jew hatred and nazi love.
don't need to. Within a minute one can easily find all the analysis and evidence one requires to conclude that the krema capacity was more than adequate. But that would mean you'd have to go beyond CODOH, or IHR or Stormfont bullcrap to find out that your credible "revisionist historians" aren't the least bit credible.
Here's a source of rebuttal of this denialist nonsense wrt krema capacity.
Its funny how all those nazis who went to trial (10,000 or so) were all tortured into confessions. Its funny how all those eye witnesses were nothing more than Zionist plotters. Its funny how all that inconvenient forensic evidence is to be ignored. Its funny how the only people that rally around the denier banners are neo-fascists, white nationalists, jew haters, nazi lovers who love to dabble in pseudoscience on account of the fact they are almost totally academically unqualified.
Keep goosestepping to the mellow musical tones of the jew hating white trash of denialism.
I just came across this. It's pretty good.
GERMAR RUDOLF - THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS OF DEBORAH LIPSTADT (PART 1)
GERMAR RUDOLF - THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS OF DEBORAH LIPSTADT (PART 2)
There's a good video here.
It came from this list.
This article is good too.
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