The Ice Cream Truck Song is Insanely Racist!

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Who would've thunk?!?! Apparently The Entertainer, by Scott Joplin is often used. But anywhere I've lived, this is the tune that all ice cream trucks play. I've heard this my entire life but I never knew the name until now: Niggr Love a Watermelon Ha Ha Ha.

     
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    Vanilla is politically incorrect. It should be limited to a small production so chocolate can be ordered in more equal numbers/amounts. What is politically correct is a vanilla/chocolate swirl, but only if chocolate ends up on top making the curl.

    The song is bad. There are lots of those songs. I try to avoid them. They can't really be excused, can they?
     
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    That song is derived form "Turkey in the straw" which came out in the middle of the 19th century. The one you posted is a "cover" made in the 1920s. There were tons of variations of Turkey in the straw many of them racist but the original was not racist and was just a nonsense song.
     
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    It turns out, the history is even deeper, with more racist roots!

    "Turkey in the Straw" is a well-known American folk song dating from the early 19th century. The first part of the song's tune may be derived from the ballad "My Grandmother Lived on Yonder Little Green" which was derivative of the Irish ballad "The Old Rose Tree."[1] Originally a tune for fiddle players, it was first popularized in the late 1820s and early 1830s by blackface performers, notably George Washington Dixon[2] and Bob Farrell.[2]

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    "Zip Coon" has many different lyrical versions. Thomas Birch published a version in 1834,[7] while George Washington Dixon published a version called "Ole Zip Coon" with different lyrics circa 1835.[8] Both Birch's and Dixon's versions keep the same chorus and the first four stanzas:

    (3×) On ole Zip Coon he is a larned skoler,
    Sings posum up a gum tree an conny in a holler.
    (3×) Posum up a gum tree, coonny on a stump,
    Den over dubble trubble, Zip coon will jump.

    Chorus:
    O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day.
    O Zip a duden duden duden duden duden day.
    O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day.
    Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day.

    O ist old Suky blue skin, she is in lub wid me
    I went the udder arter noon to take a dish ob tea;
    What do you tink now, Suky hab for supper,
    Why chicken foot an posum heel, widout any butter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_the_Straw

    "Jump Jim Crow." Zip Coon. First performed by George Dixon in 1834, Zip Coon made a mockery of free blacks. An arrogant, ostentatious figure, he dressed in high style and spoke in a series of malaprops and puns that undermined his attempts to appear dignified.
    http://black-face.com/
     
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    Neither of those songs survived long past their initial releases. Turkey in the straw was around for decades long after those songs were long forgotten. This is all from an article that has since been debunked.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/117792/racist-ice-cream-song-story-nprcom-wrong
     
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    Not to be rude, but did you ever wonder if the way those words were written or spoken was because those folks were from Africa and spoke a different language whose consonants and vowels weren't the same so they sounded them out differently? I don't know why that came to mind. Ever hear someone with a heavy accent? Seems like it would be the same.

    No, I don't condone mocking them. It was just a thought.
     
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    That is a turkey in the strawman. They don't debunk anything I've posted. They allegedly debunk the claim that it was done intentionally.
     
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    Interesting bit of history but not worth getting excited over.
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    Yeah, so why are ya'll getting defensive! ;)

    Mention that something is racist and ya'll start racing for arguments and strawmen.
     
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    You seem excited, not me. The song is fascinating from a historical perspective. That's it.
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    Even though I don't eat it....I think it's been like seven years.......I have to defend ice cream at every turn. It's in my diabetic blood to do so. lol
     
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    That's why I came by, besides wanting to know what was going on with my beloved ice cream. ;)
     
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    I don't know the name of it, but this is the song I remember.

     
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    Yeah actually it debunked it. The original tune was not racist and yet you claimed in your OP that it was racist simply because someone made a racist song to that tune. Jingle bells batman smells goes by the same tune as the normal jingle bells but how often do you hear Christmas carolers using that version. Using your logic that means that all of Weird Al Yankovichs songs are the real songs and the ones that came before his songs are just parodies of his.........despite his songs not even existing yet.
     
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