The Impossibility of an Invasion of North America.

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    LOL!!!

    The first movie had the Soviet's and Cuban's invading North America.

    It could never happen

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  2. AboveAlpha

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    It never works.

    They get absorbed into the fabric that is the U.S.

    A few don't.....but over 99% do.

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    Short of some adversary developing strong AI long before we do, which is basically like an alien-invasion scenario, it's basically impossible.

    Killing everyone is not a valid example, guys.
     
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    The Mongols had complete control over China for a while. That said, it's extremely difficult to do and doesn't last. In my opinion, it's basically impossible, in a modern context.

    We could have easily lost WW2, if things had gone differently. If Hitler had secured Europe and oil supplies, and Japan had secured Indonesia, we would have been in really deep (*)(*)(*)(*) once they solidified their hold. If things had been a little different, the 1950's could have been a massive war for North America. Hitler and Japan would have had the numbers, as well as the resources, to defeat us. The nukes of the time would not have been enough.
     
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    The only chance an invasion of Conus would be successful is if they had the support of Mexico or Canada for staging their forces. In which case, we would know about it long before it happened. If Mexico or Canada were to announce joint war games in their country with China and/or Russia, I might spend about half a second worrying about it.
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    But since Canada has an integrated Military with the U.S....and Mexico is also fairly close....it can't happen.

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    Taking country is one thing, HOLDING it is another, remember the IRA in Northern Ireland and the ISIS forces now in the Middle East ideas are hard to kill and freedom is a big idea. They would pay a dear price for having troops on the soil of the US for a long time.
     
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    Agreed. You have to have overwhelming force, relative to the population size, to successfully pull it off. I'm sure China could totally crush any of the Middle Eastern countries, given their populations, but outside of states like that, it can't be done to any sizable countries.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    Even if by some supernatural event the U.S Military did not exist....the level of Insurgency in the U.S. and North America would be off the chart!!

    You have the heaviest armed population on Planet Earth and a population of over 320 Million American's never mind Mexican's and Canadian's.

    No one could hold North America never mind the absolute impossibility of getting even close to invading it.

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    Exactly, it's just not something that we need to worry about. Unless China develops AI before we do, I think we are safe lol.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the other hand.....
    exceptionally naive laws have been allowing
    a shockingly aggressive enemy to take over more and more in USA cities.......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/449323-donald-trump-campaign-film-cartel-land.html

    The Donald Trump campaign and the film "Cartel Land."
    Drug cartels seem to have a great deal of power over the elected officials in Mexico.

    If...… The Donald's supporters will view this film and become more well informed a lot of good things could result from this.

    For one thing..... this could put pressure on Mexico that results in the release of Dr. Jose Mireles!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_Land
    My wife is from Ecuador and I would love to see The Donald come out with a plan to significantly INCREASE LEGAL immigration from Mexico and South America after that wall is built.

    This might be a great way to steal much of the thunder that his opponents seem to have at this time?

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    A century is a relatively short period of time
    to many Islamic philosophers and thinkers.
     
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    Hitler couldn't invade tiny England across the English Channel.
     
  13. DennisTate

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    If.... official government immigration policy......
    significantly alters the emotional, spiritual, political and economic atmosphere of the USA.....
    so that certain communities no longer feel welcome here....... (for example Jews who dress Orthodox)....
    then over the upcoming decades to a century........

    the flavour of USA culture can be so altered that a high percentage of
    Jews who dress Orthodox feel that they have got to emigrate to Israel.....
    where they will be protected more actively by police and military.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...g-d-planning-another-exodus-but-time-usa.html
    Could G-d be planning another Exodus? But this time from the USA????

    .....At the seventeen minute mark in this video Messianic Jewish visionary David Herzog states that he was shown that during a time of economic crisis in the USA a segment of the population would blame Israel……… as well as Jews living in America…. and American Jews would be forced to flee from the United State…… and go to Israel. Apparently many of them would choose a route through Canada?!?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QLsDpTpJXc
    Even one percent of a population….. who believes that violence is justified……….. and who hate another group of people and blame their own problems on that group
    of people……… can make life very difficult for an easily identified ethnic group?????!

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    But many theorists speculate that he should have.......
    after sending the Panzers into Dunkirk........ as opposed to
    waiting for the Luftwaffe to have the glory!?
     
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    We can get into space just fine, it's simply more cost effective to rent Russian rockets. The shuttles were expensive and had a far higher casualty rate than rockets and renting rockets from Russia is cheaper than building/launching them on our own. Now that we're making headway on reusable rockets, expect to see a return to US based manned missions (possibly private) within the next 10-15 years.
     
  15. AboveAlpha

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    But that is a Police issue Dennis.

    Not Military.

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    The Mexican drug cartels, the Mexican Mexican Mafia and Nuestra Familia in collusion with National Council of La Raza, MEChA, LULAC all ready have their political lobbyist walking on the floors of the California state legislature in Sacramento.

    Over 1/4 of the elected Democrats in the state legislature are Mexican anchor babies who hold on to their parents politics, customs, culture and political traditions and loyalty to their parent's country of origin.

    It goes further into county and municipal governments like L.A. County, Imperial County and municipalities like the cities of Bell, Monterey Park, Cudahy, Highland Park, etc. etc, who have elected Mexican anchor babies sitting on the city council allowing the Mexican drug cartels to establish and operate business fronts to launder money for the drug cartels like Mexican sea food restaurants, Mexican tire shops, auto body repair shops, legitimate gardening businesses and taco trucks.

    And the Muslim Brotherhood are doing the same thing in collusion with the Obama administration and the Democrat party establishing Sharia law in America. But unlike the Mexican anchor babies who are on fast track with making money for the cartels and gaining Latino political power and reconquista, the Muslim Brotherhood are using a 100 year strategy.
     
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    What are talking about? The USA has been invaded and with a couple of generations the invaders will be the majority of the country.

    The same invasion tactics are being employed now against Europe and Hillary Clinton wants to radically increase that invasion of Europe.

    Invasions don't require weapons. Just running across the combined with rapid breeding and protesting to increasingly terrorize the population, while also taking control of entire communities as a majority and decisive minority voting block. Ultimately to take total control.
     
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    I'm ready for 'em, but I agree with you that the U.S. military would spoil it all before I even got shot off. :machinegun:

    Party poopers ... :steamed:
     
  19. AboveAlpha

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    LOL!!!

    You get then Seth!!

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    Yes he could have but needed air and naval superiority, the brave airmen and ground support of the RAF saw to that in one of the greatest air campaigns in history. Earlier the Spanish would have save for the fortunes of war and their brave men and ships of oak when the Spanish Armada was sent and the foolishness of the Spanish they had more priests on their ships than qualified cannon masters and poor tactics but their numbers still gave them the advantages in many areas.
     
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    More than anything else, supply lines would defeat any potential invader. Look at the problems we hand in tiny, backward Vietnam.
     
  22. APACHERAT

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    Specifically what were those problems ?

    The logistical infrastructure built in the RVN during the Vietnam War were textbook that couldn't be reproduced today.

    The U.S. military in Vietnam was the best equipped, supplied, fed and armed military ever to go to war. And there was no such thing as bottled water back then but the scuttlebutt was that the U.S. Air Force had soft ice cream machines on their air bases.

    Look at Cam Ranh Bay, the U.S. Army built that facility and even today the U.S. Navy, Russian navy and the chi-coms PLA-N are having wet dreams wanting access to Cam Ranh Bay today. It was the largest deep water port in the RVN.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vblAa1FQaYM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61UYPb9SZS4

    Up in l-Corps, Da Nang wasn't a deep water port so we had to relie on Red Beach and Navy LST's. -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPbNYTV6BRQ
     
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    6000 miles.
     
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    5,000 to 10.000 miles from the CONUS is the preferred distance that America likes to fight it's wars from. :smile:

    Ever wonder why the American Sherman tanks during WW ll were so small when America was capable of producing larger and heavier tanks ?

    All American military equipment had to be small enough and light enough to be loaded on ships and unloaded on to amphibious landing craft (LST. LCM, LCT, etc.) and deliver the equipment on to a beach.

    Even the American / British war in Europe during WW ll were all amphibious operations, North Africa, Sicily, Italy and the Normandy D-Day invasions all began as amphibious operations. Since the Germans always destroyed the deep water ports, almost all of the troops, equipment and supplies were brought ashore by landing craft.
     
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    Well the problem in Nam was that the Johnson administration refused to allow the U.S. Military to win.

    We could have EASILY won that war but we simply were not allowed to.

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    Vietnam is BEGGING the United States to come back and set up bases there once again as a buffer against China which Vietnam has fought some vicious wars and battles with specifically the one in 1979.

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