The improved Curry Corner

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ask Al Gore how simple it is to get rich by yelling all over that men do this to climate. Trouble is, my climate is cooler and not hotter.
     
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    The western USA has experienced above average temperatures this year.

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/201804

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    Using the same source, you can see that the western USA was also warmer than average in 2017 and 2016. Like nearly every statement you make, your statement about cooling is flatly contradicted by the actual data.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good advice. It illustrates why denier theories are all wrong, because they are always contradicted by experiment and data. That's in contrast to the real climate science, which is always supported by experiment and observation.

    You don't have any idea of what any of that means, or why it's wrong. I do. It's wrong because evaporation, conduction and convection also move heat, so there's no need for such high radiation levels.

    Some fine PSI (Principia Scientifica International) raving. That's a greenhouse effect denier cult. Why don't you ask Dr. Curry if she denies the greenhouse effect? Because she doesn't. This loon claims that since his experiments show what I just talked about, the bizarre strawman version of science he made up, one that nobody has ever believed, is wrong. That's nice.
     
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    It's probably good to remind people that JC acknowledges that CO2 is a greenhouse, the Earth is warming, and that humans are playing a significant role. She is on record (as recently as a few weeks ago) via a peer reviewed publications with her name listed as the author in which she predicts (using models) that the Earth will warm by 1.8C by 2100. It's also important to note that this is an increase from her previous publication in 2015 which used a similar technique to arrive at that figure. It's also important to note that several of her peers disagree with her method and claim that she is underestimating the future warming rate specifically as a result of the technique she used.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Curry is the expert. And who i pray do you work for in climate science that I toss her out in favor of you?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know of no denier, as the smear goes, that denies that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. But the argument is over how much of the warming belongs to humans. She says the answer is we still do not know. I happen to agree with her.

    I will say more. 1.8 degrees will never matter. We here in CA are cooler than we should be. Rather than say on the part of the alarmists, well, let's see how that fits in, they tell us they predicted it. Nonsense and bah humbug. They never predicted any cooling. They say there is none.

    I wonder who plans to follow her debate that comes up soon? All I hear from the alarmists is she is not honest.

    Take our climate here in the SF Bay Area, we have 10 degree temperature swings depending on what part of the SF Bay area you happen to be in. Pleasanton is often 10 degrees hotter than Hayward, CA is and nobody in Pleasanton suffers from this. San Francisco on the same Bay my city is on is cooler by 5 to 10 degrees as a matter of course as my city is. I wonder how you all manage to survive your own fear of a warm decent day?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I live here and know what we have experienced. It is cooler. Yesterday and today will be a bit warm for this time of year. Tomorrow it will plunge back down to 20 degrees cooler.

    i would like to add that our local weathermen keep commenting on how cool it is.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From your very own data source.

    Temperature

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      April 2018 Statewide Temperature Ranks
    • During April, the average contiguous U.S. temperature was 48.9°F, 2.2°F below the 20th century average, making it the 13th coldest April on record and the coldest since 1997.
    • Below-average temperatures were observed from the Rockies to the East Coast. Twenty-two states had an April temperature that ranked among the 10 coldest on record. Eight states had their second coldest April on record and two states—Iowa and Wisconsin—were record cold.
    So HA, why not read their notes???
     
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    I hate returning to your tripe but after reading this one more time, to ensure I am not missing things, I must comment.

    Who are you to keep acting as if my case is that climate does not change? I have said many times it does change.
     
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    Well, me and those on my side have not used politics to create your straw-men. We try to stick to the science. Ergo the improved Curry Corner. Her site has many who post to her site who hold scientific credentials. So far, no blogger posting here alleges he or she has scientific credentials. i personally also lack them but at least studied global weather to become a pilot. At the time of my study this flim-flam that earth is in danger of being a super heated ball was not even being publicly discussed. That man was the reason for thunder storms had not occurred to people. That the hiatus of heat at Death Valley compared to it in 1913 when the record was set was not an issue.

    You guys want to show us evidence. I have invited your team to pick out a dozen deserts and show us the temperature there have changed and by how much. I keep getting hostile replies and blank stares. They want to discuss not the polar ice at the South Pole but only at the North Pole and i get sick of the diversions.
     
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    And Lord Mpnckton proved how easy it was to get lots of money from fossil fuel industries to speak against climate change despite being a no nothing twonk[/QUOTE]
     
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    But climate, like underwear, does not change itself

    What is causing the current change??
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    That has to be one of the funniest statements yet - that you have not used politics

    Your stance is predicated on politics because you do not know enough about the science for it to be based on science

    In choosing just two scientists in a field of tens of thousands world wide shows confirmation bias which is politically based

    Science does not pick and choose those things that fit what it wants the outcome to be

    Science sets up methods of testing what might be and then analyses the results to determine the truth

    Your "expert" Curry has only a nodding acquaintance with the truth as witnessed by the following critiques of her stances

    https://skepticalscience.com/Judith_Curry_blog.htm
     
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    Stop deflecting.

    You claimed California had been abnormally cold for several years.

    I pointed out that claim was totally wrong.

    You instantly changed the topic to the central USA experiencing a cold April 2018, something that had nothing to do with your wild claims.

    The point is that you rarely know what the actual facts and data say, so you just make up your own version of reality.
     
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    You mean except the person who you thought gave great advice to Curry. He was part of PSI. We know that because he announced it in his writing. PSI is a group of pseudoscience cultists whose basic tenet is there is no such thing as the greenhouse effect.

    I wonder how you justify creating such strawmen. We're very different from you in that respect. We don't use strawmen. You rely on them heavily.

    But then, we're capable of discussing the actual science. You're not. Hence, you have to create strawmen. Another option for you would be intellectual honesty, but your politics forbids you from taking that option.
     
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    It's the internet. Anyone can claim anything. Our side's credentials come from consistently making correct predictions. You side's lack of credentials comes consistently failing with your predictions. Results matter. A flat earther is still wrong, no matter what their claimed credentials are.

    Another of your strawmen. What a surprise.

    Humans cause thunderstorms? Say what?

    Cherrypicking fallacy.

    And we do, all the time, but being how it's inconvenient to your politics, you're required to pretend you don't see it.

    When? What makes you think that's a sensible request? That is, why do you cherrypick deserts, and Death Valley in particular, instead of looking at the global average temperature?

    And why don't you get off your lazy butt and do it yourself? You're demanding we spend hours of work for an unnamed purpose, just so you can ignore the results again. That's not going to happen. The most you're worth is one link, which talks about how temperatures in deserts are rising.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/05/climate-change-deserts/483896/

    You are aware Antarctic ice is now also now at very low levels now, right? Probably not.

    The models said the freshening of the surface water (due to ice melt runoff) and higher winds would initially make for more Antarctic sea ice, but that rising temps would eventually overcome that effect. And that's what happened. Huh. Another successful prediction by the mainstream science. Why would you think we wouldn't want to brag about that?
     
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    Maybe it would be, were there any reason to take any of their predictions seriously in the first place.
     
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    Less discriminating meaning she considers all of the science instead of adhering to only the dogma. Bet you really have no clue about her blog other than what you have been told to think.
     
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    You mean the batting zero so far on predictions?
     
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    Agricultural industry is listening because this very much affects them

    You WANT food prices to rise??
     
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    Well, let's see what her peers got right.

    - The global surface mean temperature would rise. It did.
    - The stratosphere would cool. It did.
    - The diurnal temperature range would decrease. It did.
    - The warming would be more pronounced during the night than the day. It is.
    - The warming would be more pronounced during the winter than the summer. It is.
    - The warming would be more pronounced in the NH than the SH. It is.
    - Water vapor mixing ratios would increase. They did.
    - Sea levels would rise. They are.
    - Glacial volumes would decrease. They are.
    - Sea ice extents would decrease (especially in the Arctic). They are.
    - Volcanic eruptions would slow the warming. They did (Pinatubo).
    - The ocean would warm. It is.

    I'm not saying her peers made perfect predictions. Nobody ever does. But, in terms of big picture items they are getting more right than they are wrong.
     
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    Are you saying they got no prediction right?
     
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    Are your claims such that i am to think Gore lost money on his Climate game? I love reading the hard core left rush to the aid of Al Gore who as you know was and no doubt still is paying an enormous bill to heat and cool his home while telling us to knock it off.

    What do you suppose his costs to fly all over amount to?
     
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    I would judge the predictions made thus far by the modelers to be on the lower end of predictability.

    Look, since Clinton was president, actually at the tail end of his administration there has been this urgency to regulate us all to save this planet. I am sick of claims we got hotter during the drought and when it ended suddenly that did not solve the problem but we still must be punished by the left. Why are all the alarmists on the left?
     

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