The Insuperable Statistics of Life - Proof of Nature's God

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    revelation also applies to 'reason'

    eureka! its true, there is a God, Antony Flew! LOL
     
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    Not in this context. They are talking about the rejection of the existence of divine revelation, not mundane "eureka" moments. The Wikipedia article you linked to goes into some detail about this. You should read it. Deists believe in God, but they reject the notion that he personally reveals himself or any spiritual secrets to select representatives, as believers in revealed religions hold.
     
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    Well as far as the claim of a Divine creator, it's not falsifiable so therefore it's not science.
     
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    Now, you went and misinterpreted the point I was trying to make. You have your version of this "First Cause", I have mine. I'm convinced that our Universe is a science project from some hyper-dimensional equivalent of a fifth grader. I have as much proof for my theory as anyone else has for theirs.
     
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    Revelation wrt religion has to do with scripture - the revelatin of God through the Bible, the Qur'an, etc.

    Obviously, those who believe in the revelation of the bible consider it to be fact. That's their whole religion right there!! They can't NOT see it as fact! Why do you think that is surprising - or even meaningful???

    BUT, you chose to go with Flew - Deism.

    That family accepts the notion that we can observe this universe and decide that there must be a god. Observation is scinece. It's perhaps not surprising that Flew, a scientist went for Deism, NOT revelation.
     
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    Math has proof. Natural sciences only have proof of falsity, but can't address anything supernatural. And, religion has no proof, as it is based on faith.

    Again, God's revelation talks about acceptance by faith - not by some sort of proof.

    Neither scence nor religion would suggest that something came from nothing. Anyone propagating this "something rom nothing" nonsense has a lot of explaining to do, or it's goingto be assumed that they just don't know what they are talking about. (So, read your post!!)

    How about cooling the jets? I don't believe god is looking for anyone to fight over religion. Vituperation doesn't sell. And, science is clearly uninterested in that, too. After all, science can't even address anything concerning the supernatural. So, you don't have to feel so threatened.
     
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    You have no point to make. I seldom put anyone on my Ignore List after reading only two or three of their posts, but I'll make an exception in your case. "The lion doesn't turn around when a small dog barks." - Nigerian Proverb
    "Go from the presence of a foolish man." - The Holy Bible
    ciao
     
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    I'm on your ignore list?!

    I Win!!!! Victory!!!!!!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Someday you'll come to the realization you don't understand it all. As your eyes fade....perhaps you'll look to the One that does. Maybe not.
     
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