The Israel Lobby: How Powerful is it Really?

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  1. Horhey

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    [video=youtube_share;waqeNVcFBeY]http://youtu.be/waqeNVcFBeY[/video]

    This article I think is a key analysis of this issue. Academics such as Mearsheimer and Walt who assert that AIPAC dictates US policy in the Middle East, "have a vested interest in absolving from responsibility the foreign policy establishment that they have served so loyally all these years."

    Stephen Zunes is a professor of politics and is Middle East editor for the Foreign Policy In Focus project. He is the author of Tinderbox: U.S. Middle East Policy and the Roots of Terrorism (Common Courage Press, 2003). Published May 16, 2006, by Foreign Policy In Focus (FPIF), a joint project of the International Relations Center (IRC, online at www.irc-online.org) and the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS, online at www.ips-dc.org):

     
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    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it




    BOB DYLAN LYRICS

    "Masters Of War"

    Come you masters of war
    You that build all the guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build all the bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks.


    You that never done nothin'
    But build to destroy
    You play with my world
    Like it's your little toy
    You put a gun in my hand
    And you hide from my eyes
    And you turn and run farther
    When the fast bullets fly.

    Like Judas of old
    You lie and deceive

    A world war can be won
    You want me to believe
    But I see through your eyes
    And I see through your brain
    Like I see through the water
    That runs down my drain.


    You fasten all the triggers
    For the others to fire
    Then you set back and watch
    When the death count gets higher
    You hide in your mansion'
    As young people's blood
    Flows out of their bodies
    And is buried in the mud.

    You've thrown the worst fear
    That can ever be hurled
    Fear to bring children
    Into the world
    For threatening my baby
    Unborn and unnamed
    You ain't worth the blood
    That runs in your veins.

    How much do I know
    To talk out of turn
    You might say that I'm young
    You might say I'm unlearned
    But there's one thing I know
    Though I'm younger than you
    That even Jesus would never
    Forgive what you do.

    Let me ask you one question
    Is your money that good
    Will it buy you forgiveness
    Do you think that it could
    I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul.

    And I hope that you die
    And your death'll come soon
    I will follow your casket
    In the pale afternoon
    And I'll watch while you're lowered
    Down to your deathbed
    And I'll stand over your grave
    'Til I'm sure that you're dead.


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    http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=2280
     
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    Mearsheimer, Walt, and Waltz have a reputation for being adamant critics of Israel. While they are all well respected IR scholars, they often let their bias get in the way of greater objective analysis. We see their close-mindedness come to fruition on a recent PBS interview regarding Iran with Mearsheimer, and an article in the October/November 2012 edition of Foreign Affairs on the same matter by Waltz.
     
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    The founders of this country never intended that the citizens of Israel should rule the government.

    It is our own negligence and corruption which has allowed this unfortunate situation to arise.

    Because of it we are witnessing the not so slow progression of the US into neo-Bolshevism.
     
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    ...thankyou for the words of refreshment that can't come too soon :)

    Julie Felix:

    [video=youtube;2q4LvC0ipVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q4LvC0ipVo[/video]
     
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    It's odd that you don't hear a peep out of the likes of him and that crowd that protested the Vietnam War. Simon and Garfunkel are a couple of others. I wonder why.

    Maybe it's because in Vietnam we were supposed to be fighting the advancement of communism.

    Now we're fighting to "secure the realm".
     
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    which is why they dont'.

    No, its your own ignorance, bigotry and inability to accept the fact that AIPAC is far more effective lobby group than any arab one.

    Said he without a single shred of evidence ot support this fear mongering nonsense.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention have you?
     
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    http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-goldman-sachs/

    That doesn't include the JUDEO-xtian ZogBot prostitutes that call themselves white.

    It really doesn't take that many Chiefs to tell a whole lot of Indians what to do. A few with a whole lot of Wampum will suffice.










    Hey! What happened to quotas and "equality"?


    All of this over-representation could not have occurred by chance.

    The Jews say that's because they are superior in all of these areas.

    They also say they are "Chosen of G-d" or "G-d's elect.

    At the same time they say that white gentiles are "Supremacists".



    Is that enough "shreds of evidence"?
    How much more do you need?

    How much would you admit to anyway?
     
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    I've been paying close attention.

    But you OTOH, seem to have drunk the koolaid.
     
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    Are you saying that the figures stated above are incorrect or that they are not indicative of a system of privileged characters?



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    You'll never see things quite the same way again.
     
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    Even if the Israel lobby was not existent the Jewish cause would be given high priority and for a very fundamental reason.

    In the years 1939, 1940 and 1941, the US ambassadors in England and the diplomats throughout Europe were informed of the concentration camp atrocities. The reports were so inhumane that they believed they were like the reports in the first world ward which said that when the germans had entered Belguim that they were killing and eating the babies.

    The shame that the US feels over their inaction in this early part of the war is what drives the policy of assisting the Jewish homeland and it is why we have had the last 70 years of poor international relations concerning the Israel question that we have had.

    As stated before in other threads, Israel should not exist. The land given to the Jewish people was not given by the rightful owners which were the Palestinians. If they had been asked and they said yes give them this piece of land then fair enough, but the "world leaders" of the time, arbitrarily decide to supply the Jewish population with a homeland and for the enxt 70 years supply the means by which to defend themselves from their Arab neighbours.

    It is like Taiwan. The US say they recognise the Chinese claim on the island but yet they arm the island wity defensive capabilities which hieghtens the danger.
     
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    There's no comparison between Israel and Taiwan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek


    Chiang Kai shek fled the communists.

    Israel sold US defense plans to Russia in order to import them to Israel.
     
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    classic anti-Semitic bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Classic Jewish non-sequitur.

    [video=youtube;gbS3h1X933I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbS3h1X933I[/video]
     
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    like I said, anti-Semitism.
     
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    Trying to argue with racists and their ilk is a loosing proposition. I normally do not even bother, it is not worth my time.

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    Myself, I mostly just sit back and make fun of the poor dears. It must be hard going through life with such a diseased mind.
     
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    Depends on how much power you think a dollar can buy. In terms of dollars, the Israel lobby is second only to the retired folks' lobby. I think Bush and his cohorts were swallowed alive by the Israel lobby.
     
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    this is of course totally incorrect.

    there are many more corporate, economic, industrial, natural resource, and other interest groups that have donated much more money than the Israel Lobby to Congressional campaigns.
     
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    Oh yes, this is so true!


    I guess that is why President Bush refused to even talk about overturning President Clinton's decision to not sell the Tomahawk Missile to Israel, President Bush repeatedly condemning excesses of Israeli military actions, and even though Israel uses an upgraded PATRIOT missile defense system, the US has not sold them the newest PAC3 upgrades to that system.

    Yes, he was indeed nothing but a puppet for Israel.

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    You can say that again, albeit it is more correct to say that he was a puppet to the Jewish Neo-Cons in the US.
    Since the Neo-Cons in the US are joined at the hip to the Theocratic Regime in Israel, the difference is mostly academic.

    http://rense.com/general31/rege.htm

     
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    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

     
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    Bob Dylan really knew how the media is a tool for the government.

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    thats the understatement of the century.

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    excellent stuff there.
     

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