The Kurds did not help the US defeat ISIS

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    What solution do you propose for this situation. How long would you, Commander in Chief, keep US troops and air power in the region in support? What is the "End State" of your mission?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Freedom from what?
    Let them kill each other. They've been doing it since before the US was founded. It's not our fight. If it spills over on to our interests, we'll step in. Then we will leave again.

    By the way, if you feel that strongly about it, go. You go. You fight. You're a real tough guy when it's someone else's as on the line. I've been shot twice, stabbed three times and hit in the face with a baseball bat. I've had a very violent life. I've been to prison. I've been acquitted of serious crimes where people died. Have you ever fired a weapon? Have you ever shot someone? Have you ever even been in a fight? I will kill. I've proved that; will you. Will you put your ass where you want to put theirs?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't stand soy boys who can only be tough or generous by proxy. If it weren't for men like me, who would protect them from men like me? They're real tough, as long as someone else enforces their will. They're real generous too, but only with other people's money. These guys are so sensitive that their feelings can't hold up under the stress and strain of even a construction site let alone a cage or a battlefield. They're not even trying to be manly. They consider masculinity to be "toxic". Yet, they still believe that they have a right to have someone else impose their very best intentions upon others. I wish that the soy boys would stop crying to have the real men do their will for them.
     
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    If you had the balls you claim to have you would never countenance abandoning an ally like the Kurds
     
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    great, more Middle East war started by Republicans.
     
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    What betrayal is complete without lying about the betrayed stalwart ally?

    Turtle McConnell:

    The combination of a U.S. pullback and the escalating Turkish-Kurdish hostilities is creating a strategic nightmare for our country. Even if the five-day cease-fire announced Thursday holds, events of the past week have set back the United States’ campaign against the Islamic State and other terrorists. Unless halted, our retreat will invite the brutal Assad regime in Syria and its Iranian backers to expand their influence. And we are ignoring Russia’s efforts to leverage its increasingly dominant position in Syria to amass power and influence throughout the Middle East and beyond.

    Predictably, our adversaries seem to be relishing these developments. The resulting geopolitical chain reaction appears to have been perfectly distilled by an online video which, according to reports, shows a smiling Russian “journalist” strolling around a just-abandoned U.S. military base in northern Syria. A strategic calamity neatly captured in one Facebook post.

    As we seek to pick up the pieces, we must remain guided by our national interests and not emotions. While Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s offensive into northeastern Syria is misguided, is it really the case that the United States would prefer that Russian, Syrian and Iranian forces control the region rather than Turkey, our NATO ally?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinions-mitch-mcconnell-withdrawing-from-syria-is-a-grave-mistake/ar-AAIZyoI?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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    I also agree with President Trump's decision to bring the men home. Those people have been fighting each other before the US was founded. It's not our fight. If it spills over on to our interests, we will intercede, then we will leave.
     
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    The credulous public who still believes in Russiagate are the ones being played.
     
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    Solutions get much more difficult once you let the genie out of the bottle and Trump did just that.

    You're asking how to fix Trump's screw up?

    Start with getting rid of him
     
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    He brought no one home. He moved troops out of Erdogan's way
     
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    No, I am asking you how long you plan to keep US troops in the region and what your criteria is for withdraw. You disagree with the Presidents' decision to withdraw troops from the region, so I ask when you would do so as Commander in Chief.

    When troops receive official orders included in the orders is a success criteria and an End State. What is your End State Commander?

    It serves no purpose to simply complain without offering up a solution. Your argument is that Trump shouldn't have done that. So I ask when SHOULD the Commander and Chief do this then?
     
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    I disagree with Trump bailing IN A DAY...leaving the Kurds hanging...with no prior negotiation...no plan...nothing but a bend over for Erdogan
     
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    The people of Syria fighting for Assad are fighting for freedom from Strict Sharia Islamist totalitarianism.

    Not sure what the above mindless gibberish has to do with the topic.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with them. Give me liberty, or give me death.
     
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    Go Tulsi :)
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberty is the individual's authority over and responsibility for them self.

    Socialism offers freedom from liberty.
    Socialists equate other people having authority over themselves with chaos.
    Socialists equate them having responsibility for themselves with oppression.

    Everyone one is a socialist until they grow up and earn their own money. The problem is that we have coming of age a generation that has no intention of either growing up or earning their own money. Socialism is our 'factory setting'; maturing is moving away from the selfish and short sighted condition into which we are born. The rise in socialism's popularity among voting age Americans attests to the fact that aging and maturing do not necessarily go hand in hand.

    Socialism offers freedom from liberty, but so does childhood. Socialism is just another Peter Pan syndrome.
     
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    The troops being pulled from Syria are going to Iraq.
     
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    NO troops are "coming home"/

    Trump is lying
     

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