The law separating aliens from their children was passed in 1997

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "other responsible person" What the hell does that mean?
     
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    Wrong you are again Lesh. Session going with Zero Tolerance.....is Zero Tolerance with the law. The law that was already in place.

    The same Law that Paul Ryan cited yesterday.

    Face the facts your kind, plus some Never Trumpers and some emotionally twisted Repubs. Just want illegal Children to be placed in Jail cells with their parents.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nt-illegal-children-put-in-jail-cells.535391/
     
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    Foster care, family friend....
     
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    Oh that's so much better, that's like caveman talk kinda, not Bad either! Sort of like those old 60's westerns :)
     
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    So- let's do some problem analysis here.

    Problem, as suddenly rated huge by the left- separation of children from illegal immigrants who brought their kids along.
    Regardless of laws and past policy, how do we end the need to house and support these kids when separated from parents?

    First- who is responsible for creating the problem?
    That is crystal clear; in that if the parents hadn't brought their children along, we would not be separating them.
    Secondly, if the parents hadn't chose to attempt illegal entry, they wouldn't be in detention either.
    Note that when parents come without their children, they are voluntarily separating themselves from their own children too.
    The single source of the issue is the parents themselves.

    The problem becomes ours only due to our own laws and policies.

    We allow people to come in, and apply for asylum, from whatever danger they say exists for them at home.
    Their home is virtually never adjacent to the border- so they have already removed themselves from the environment that endangered them, which is often Central American.
    Why do they pass through several countries, including of course Mexico, to ask for asylum here when they have already distanced themselves from the claimed threat?
    Given that this is the normal situation and they are not under immediate threat, there are logical options:

    Instead of allowing people to enter the country before applying for asylum- the proper procedure would be that they apply for asylum from outside the country, and if granted, they can enter the country. ONE change is the law and policy is all that is required.

    Entering most countries for other than tourism requires you obtain permission in advance, such as a visa.
    In this way, the families stay together, at a place of their choice in Mexico. Applications for asylum can be created at border stations, or obtained from US Embassies all over the world. Some of the massive amounts of expense we now have from dealing with this problem from the rear end, can be used to improve and expedite the process from the front end, where it should be done.

    Currently the process is somewhat like going into a hotel, taking up residence, eating their food, running up bills, and saying that it is the responsibility of the hotel to prove you aren't entitled to stay permanently in a process that can take a couple years- plus forcing them to pay the expenses for your stay, whether you are if your are removed or not. And of course, you bring your kids so that it will be more cruel to refuse you.
    Who is getting screwed, who is getting the free benefits? WHY is it being allowed? Because we aren't using common sense.

    Application for admission under asylum should start OUTSIDE the us. The exception would be imminent danger, as in the thugs are in hot pursuit of you at the border. Not police, but thugs. Many of these people have warrants out for them from their native countries law enforcement agencies, which is what they are running from. That can be quickly checked by confirmation wants and warrants with their country of origin. No imminent danger- no immediate asylum. And remember, over 80% of asylum claims prove to be frivolous, lacking basis in fact.

    Those applicants remain free to do as they please while their application is being reviewed and processed. We don't house, feed, control or restrict them in the meantime, and we don't separate them from their children.

    Problem solved.
     
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    That was some impressive word salad.

    Bottom line, families are being separated as a matter of NEW....POLICY...and it's being done as a proactive punishment.

    It needs to stop
     
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    Well we could take a few pointer on how the DR Congo manages their displaced children! I bet ALL of them would enjoy a tent a bowl of rice and clean water! But I have to hand it to you, posting anything about U.S. treatment of Children good or bad from the DR Congo, well takes some real brass balls :)
     
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    And since then we have had 3 presidents before Drumph, and none of them have chosen to implement it in this way.
     
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    It is the despicable dems. They re the only ones that thin illegals are legal citizens.
     
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    You are saying RIPPING a child away from their legitimate parents and THROWING them into a foster home away from their parents is a better solution?
    If so, I'm ok with that.
     
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    First time we have has a president that chooses to enforce the laws, which was exactly what he promised in his campaign and was elected in a landslide win.
     
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    please explain to me why

    Street Children in the Democratic Republic of Congo
     
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    WTF!?!?!?! Do you have a reading disorder? Please let me know, I'd hate to harangue you for lack of comprehension skills if it's caused by a medical disorder or developmental issue.
     
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    I agree. NOW, take them to the border where they crossed and give them a map with the proper border crossings clearly marked.
     
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    Eeeek, I was going to ask you if you had a problem with reality :( But I think I'll just go with my gut and say there is hypocrisy at play here and nothing more!
     
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    No there was another, I call him Mr, Obatard

    POLITICS
    06/25/2014 09:22 pm ET Updated Jun 26, 2014
    Deportation Separated Thousands Of U.S.-Born Children From Parents In 2013
     
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    That is a question best asked of the parents who sent them to the US in the first place.
    Little kids, many less than 10, don't travel across Mexico and slip over the border on their own.

    Just as we are not the worlds policeman we are not the world's free caretaker, or home for everyone.
    I'm not in favor or taking charge of anyone's kids (other than my own), nor separating them from family.
    Unaccompanied kids crossing the border do have parents or relatives, though they may be irresponsible ones.
    If they don't have parents or family, they do have a country, and it will have orphanages or child protective charities.
    Send them home.
     
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    I truly feel sorry for you, honestly.
     
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    As much as I enjoy your post, I cant help but see the futility in explaining Child abuses to folks from the DR Congo.. But keep up the good work!
     
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    As sad as that is coming from you, it does have a sadistic comedic quality to it :(
     
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    All this has nothing to do with children and families illegally crossing our open borders and everything to do with the latest in a very long list of attempts to derail the Trump presidency. Apparently we are over gun control, Melania's shoes, Trumps fingers, Stormy Daniels, cops shooting every black person they see, the Koreans, Iran, Syria, the electoral college, pinkpussy hats, and/or the dozens of other manufactured reasons Trump will be out of office any time now.
    Hang in there, next week it will be something else driving their ire.

    I said this well over a year ago and I repeat.
    The unhinged lefties biggest fear is the fact Trump will be successful.

    This is all too delicious.
     
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    Of course your right :)
     
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    So, you prefer that children be separated from family and kept in order to provide a basis for political attacks and chaos? You need to sustain the "problem' that bad?
    Wow.
     
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    No, he's choosing to enforce them in a certain way, which is causing a humanitarian crisis and lowering, further, the US's status and a world leader. Trump is flushing America down the toilet.

    To suggest that all of those 3 presidents since 1997, both Republican and Democrat, were wrong and the Orange Dufuss is right is just plain ludicrous.
     
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