Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by rkhames, Jun 4, 2016.
Please explain how a political ideology keeps one in a perpetual state of violence at all times?
Those of us who learned history know Hitler sent his Brown Shirts to riot and attack the people at his opponent’s rallies and then condemn them if they fought back. Hillary/Bernie are doing the same thing to Trump supporters. Who’s the Hitler in this scenario?
This is a taste of true liberalism in America, the true Democrat Party.
The fact your incapable of deducing the answer for yourself is quite telling. Self evident truths are just that, self evident. We do not blame innocent victims for the crimes perpetrated by criminals in this society. I fully understand the left wishes to change that but so far morality stands.
You empathize with their feelings? How about empathizing with basic intelligence, public decency, the safety of other people, respect for differing opinions, and the encouragement of adult behavior? Who cares about their immature and violent feelings?
In fact it was clearly the anti Trump people who were behaving like 'fascists', and it's clear there are many who don't understand the meaning of the word.
Fascism is inherently based on the repression of national/ethnic minorities and the working class. Fascist groups are usually incredibly xenophobic and near-universally engage in violent harassment.
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Right, hating proto-fascists makes you a fascist.
Yes, hate can lead to fascistic behavior and we saw that on display in San Jose. You seem sympathetic to the idea that you get a free pass to commit violence against others simply by labeling differing political opinions as 'fascist'. That in itself is a pretty good example of fascism.
I don't label Trump supporters as fascist simply because I disagree with them. I loathe the rest of the republican party's politicians but deem them no more than garden-variety reactionaries and detest the democrat liberals. I label Trump as a proto-fascist because the intense xenophobia the campaign is defined by and the massive upswing in racist violence the campaign has coincided with.
You simplify my views greatly.
Actually it's you who may be simplifying your views. I'm only responding to the way you state them by using your own words.
That you actually 'loath' and 'detest' the viewpoint of certain Republican and Democrat points of view rather than just disagreeing, and then claim xenophobia or "proto-fascism' on the part of Donald Trump is rich with irony.
You can't disprove my substantiated statement, duly noted.
I have strong convictions. Regardless, I rarely extend my distaste for people's opinions to my opponents as people, as heated as my rhetoric may get. I reserve my hatred for people who use their prejudices as fuel for the disenfranchisement of innocent people.
Whether or not you think my politics are naive or misguided, they come from a place of genuine compassion for the oppressed and indignation at poverty, racism, homophobia, and any other injustice in the world.
You're wrong. Free speech is very different from violent rioting. Throwing rocks, eggs, water balloons and punches is not exercising free speech. It's demonstrating to the entire world what ignorant thugs exist here in the USA, and makes everyone get behind strong efforts for law and order. It certainly isn't doing Hispanics any good... many in the mobs have gang tattoos and apparel and are waving Mexican flags. It's a bad reflection and brings disrespect to a population whom the rest of society has not had any previous reason to hate.
This trashy conduct edifies no one.
Even if you were to prove your uncited claim that fascism is inherently violent, that wouldn't make fascists are inherently violent.
I think that is fairly obvious.
Your response did not address the questions that were asked.
Trump tells his supporters to punch the opposition in the face. Then when the opposition fights back, they call it "left wing mentality." That's so Nazi!
The 'opposition' must have the collective IQ of a fence post if they feel the need to respond with violence to whatever Donald Trump says.
Watch the video in this link.
So if someone says something don't like I can become violent? And blame my violence on the person who said something I don't like?
That appears to be the argument.
Party A says something offensive which allows Party B to punch Party C in the face. Party A is therefore responsible because party B cannot be expected to make rational decisions.
While the terrorist attacks by the KKK-La Raza attempt to intimidate the members of the right. #OWS, #BLM, each use the same tactics, Violence, Intimidation, Riot, Arson and Murder.
Trump was telling supporters to fight back against violent thugs who were instigating violence.
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Presidential candidates have a right to speak at their own rallies.
Protesters are instigating violence by their presence and behavior.
That's what Hitler said about the Jews.
You know it's not what Trump says, it's Trump's minions punching liberals in the face that gets the response. Expecting this country to put up with fascist right wing intimidation is not what America is about. USA! USA! USA!!!!!
It's worse than that. Party A doesn't even have to say anything offensive, Party B just has to think it's offensive.
It seems to be the clueless lefties who were the fascist thugs attacking a woman on her own. Their collective IQ, about the size of that woman's shoes, was demonstrated in their violence.
The public schools have been turning out far too many poorly educated people for over a generation and now we are seeing the consequences. Perhaps you can have someone of an earlier generation explain the last sentence to you.
I don't know if they really give it much thought at all. They are obviously being led by others with a different agenda and, despite their obvious ignorance, still think they have the intellectual capacity to decide who should say what, or who may attend speeches given by those with opposing views.
They clearly have limited vocabularies but 'fascist', despite them not understanding its meaning, is one that they will repeat regularly. We are able to witness mobs of stupid people acting out their own frustrations with life but, as we have seen so often, the more intelligent people, which includes many millions more, will eventually take over. This is the chance for the really stupid to have their moment in the sun and they're taking full advantage of it.
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