You can find metaphor in anything. The Biblical stories are fairy tales retconned to fit various religious ideologies.
Max - if that were true (in particular your Revelations interpretation) then Biblical Scholars and Bible dictionaries would mention it. They do not. What they do say is that Jesus never claims to be God. Grasping at Revelations is grasping indeed. Revelations does not contain words spoken by Jesus while alive on this Earth. That some dude had a "Vision" and claimed it was from God - doesn't count. Then we have the inconvenient truth that Revelations was not considered to be Canon until very late as it was considered "spurious" by many Church Fathers including Eusebius. And lastly - that Revelations does not say what you claim it does ! Problem 1: Obviously the person writing this is not the person that even had the vision. Problem 2: Jesus and God are mentioned as distinct and separate entities not once but twice in the opening passage. God gave Jesus Christ the revelation which was then passed on to yet another entity - an Angel. This revelation is "the word of God" given to Jesus. Jesus testifies that this is the word of God - 2 entities.
Totally disagree. That first chapter reveals Jesus as Jehovah. Compare Isaiah 44:6 and verses 17-20. The Holy Spirit living in me tells me it's true. I was dead and now alive. That's Jesus. That's the First and the Last. That's why the true Christian Church believes in the Trinity.
You say "totally disagree" and then do not address anything in my post. The Holy spirit living in me tells me that the spirit guide you have been listening to is not so Holy. Would you like me to prove this to you ?
I don't believe you have the Holy Spirit if the spirit is telling you the Bible isn't true. Go ahead.
The opinion of someone under the influence of a dark spirit does not much concern me. If the spirit who gives you information is truly from God, then it will be able answer a few of my questions. Will you ask your spirit these questions ?
Great ! - it would be very cool if the spirit you had contact with was indeed from God. That would be amazing. 1) Ask the spirit why Jesus - while hanging on the cross - said that his God had forsaken him. 2) Ask the spirit why God gave the Israelite's a law stating that children should not be punished for the sins of their parents and then had the Israelite's kill children and babies due to the sin's of their parents ? 3) and finally (I was wondering about this one for a long time) - Ask how long it took Moses and his sons to get 2 polar bears from the arctic and 2 kangaroo's from Australia. Then - when the ark landed how did the Spectacled bear get home to South America.
I said one at a time. I'm answering the first one, then off to bed. You can ask the other two tomorrow. 1. God had to turn away from Jesus on the cross. It was on the cross when sin was put on Jesus. The Bible says He became sin. God's wrath was poured on the final sacrifice, the Lamb of God. That's what John the baptist called Jesus. The Bible says Jesus took our sin and paid what God required, then the father raised Jesus from the dead. That's why He cried out "Why has thou forsaken me". Gnite, later.
So how many times did Moses go up and down the mountain with those heavy stone tablets in his arms? That's not a metaphorical question at this time.
Interesting answer - Thanks for that. Now for #2 2) Ask the spirit why God gave the Israelite's a law stating that children should not be punished for the sins of their parents and then had the Israelite's kill children and babies due to the sin's of their parents ?
Says somewhere in the gospels that who see JC, sees the father. Right? The way I take it, is God incarnated in a human body. So a human body has an ego. JC sometimes speaks from the POV of God, other times, from the ego. The ego being the image created by the brain, based upon memory of experiences.
Maxwell - He claims to be able to get answers from God to questions from an entity he calls the Holy Spirit. Would it not be cool to get answers from God to questions ?
The reason I asked is because the Bible has a reasonable sounding explanation for that in the Old Testament.
The problem with the holy spirit, is it never gives the same answer to people who claim they speak through the holy spirit. It seems there are more than 1 holy spirit.
The Bible has a reasonable explanation for folks (other than Jesus) who claim to speak directly for God aka The Logos - emissary between God and man ? Do tell !
The problem with folks who "claim" that the holy spirit gives the answers is that the little voice in their head (the one we all have) is not the Holy Spirit.
The question was: " 2) Ask the spirit why God gave the Israelite's a law stating that children should not be punished for the sins of their parents and then had the Israelite's kill children and babies due to the sin's of their parents ?" The short answer is that it was a test to see how stupid the people really were. In this instance the rule was clearly stated that everyone is responsible for his own sins. Ezekiel 18:4 (NKJV) = “Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die. Ezekiel 18:20 (NKJV) = "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." Of course in Exodus 34:6-7 (CEV) God does his usual flip-flop and punishes future generations for the sins of their fathers = "6 Then he passed in front of Moses and called out, “I am the Lord God. I am merciful and very patient with my people. I show great love, and I can be trusted. 7 I keep my promises to my people forever, but I also punish anyone who sins. When people sin, I punish them and their children, and also their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.” Ezekiel chapter 20 goes into a long essay about why God got ticked off at the Israelites and screwed with their minds. A relevant passage is Exodus 20:18-26 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel20:18-26&version=MSG;CEV;CJB;NLT;NKJV. Verses 25-26 gives the reason why God gave the conflicting rules = Ezekiel 20:25-26 (NKJV) = 25 “Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they could not live; 26 and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire, that I might make them desolate and that they might know that I am the Lord.”’ When you read the fairy tale you will notice that some passages contain good and bad ideas. For instance, it might say not to kill. Other verses in the same chapter instruct people to kill. The intent seems to be to make the reader realize that he should do the good thing (not kill) and not do the bad thing (kill) because the bad thing leads to death and not to life. IOW, the reader has to be smart enough to know when God is BS'ing him. Abraham was a dummy because he was eager to kill Isaac for personal fame and fortune. After all, it's a sin to kill and Abraham should have told God to go shove it because the command to sacrifice his son was reprehensible.
I do not find your explanation very reasonable. First off .. Ezekiel is a prophet around 600 BC. This is shortly after King Josiah finds "The Book of the Law". They had lost it for a few centuries or more according to the Bible. Times had changed - the Israelite's had mostly forgotten this YHWH fellow. Elijah - around 900BC (300 year earlier) tells us that he is the only prophet for YHWH left in all of Israel - 400 for Asherah and 450 for Baal. Prior to Elijah there is not much YHWH worship either. The Israelites are too busy sacrificing children an worshiping other Gods. Even the great King Solomon builds temples to other God's - including child sacrifice Gods. In fact - Joshua (the dude to takes the reigns after Moses) infers that even during the time of Moses (when God was following the Israelite's around in the tend of the lords presence) the people are still worshiping other Gods. See Joshua 24. He urges the people to give up other Gods and make the choice to worship YHWH like him and his family. This makes no sense given that Joshua actually got to go into the Tent of the Lords presence and Mosaic law called for killing of a whole town if a few were worshiping other Gods. Joshua also tells us that while in captivity in Egypt the Israelites were worshiping other Gods .... so the big question here is - when if ever did the Israelite's take this YHWH fellow seriously. Some fellow (Ezekiel) writing some stuff 700 or more years after Moses - has little bearing on the books of Moses. Religious belief changes with time - each generation adding their own spin. In this case the Israelite religion had been completely lost.
What does the Holy Spirit in you tell you about Ron Wyatt? What about what it tells you about all the lies you said in the past about my posts? What does it say to those things?
