The Lie: We Are Worse Off Than Yesterday

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  1. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sometimes it seems like the only improvements are technology, and that's supposed to compensate for everything else becoming worse.

    I did some rudimentary calculation some time ago, and adjusted for the cost of cars and cost of homes, the real GDP per person in the US has only increased 20 percent since the 1970s.
    It's an increase, but not a huge increase.
     
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    whats worse? Medical breakthroughs alone means nobody would go back in time if they had the choice. Means test entitlements were tiny then compared to now!!!
     
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    Several of those improvements in medical technology have also meant much higher medical care prices, because people can't afford those new expensive medical treatments that have become part of the routine standard of care.

    Just pointing that out.
    (It's kind of a separate off-topic issue though)
     
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    wrong of course, everyone is America gets state of the art medical care that was not available to anyone 75 years ago. Thus the goal is to encourage the Republican supply of new inventions, and to discourage Democrats from talking at all..
     
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    You must be young since in the 70's doctors could not save babies at 2 lbs but now can at 1 lb. The one reason we have bad statistics for infant mortality is because we measure infant mortality differently. We count all birth deaths where other countries do not unless they were carried full term.
     
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    What a joke... Statement is a joke ! 90% cant afford the medical care that was not available 75 years ago. Even when they cant, Doctors, Hospitals are quick to latch onto any income they can get at a 50,000% increase in income for those people. Taking from people that have gone backwards 100% since the 70s in the dollar buying power.

    But you go ahead, keep pushing the right wing neocon. agenda that helps a few white guys in the upper middle income bracket to stay fat and happy. While helping the Zionists and mass medical lobbyists, all 75,000+ make mass fortunes through biotech drugs. In a country, the only country that allows TV Commercials pushing high price drugs on the consumer. It should all be regulated away.
    This is not a democrat thing, or a republican THING... It is the rich using deregulation to steal every penny they can because the politicians have allowed it to happen. Face it, they are mostly Republicans, but democrats fall in line too when it comes to getting that free money.
    They all live in the DC vacuum and forget about Americans.
     
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    Government research and or financial support are responsible for much of the medical breakthroughs, which are much higher because of the free market.

    Medical and technological developments were primarily the result of the space program.

    More regulation of the corporations would mean more freedom for the worker.
     
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    No, I am 54, and unlike you I cant spend 24/7 on this site covering every agenda for the shill right wing paid Koch Brother type think tanks. People should have to legitimize who they are on these sites. The right pays thousands of people to scan the internet and post as they are told. Support everything right wing hell or high water.
    People should care about all americans, good pay, blah blah... But if you are paid to write a certain agenda, you do. That should not COUNT on the internet as an OPINION. It is a political agenda posting
     
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    LOL, so you are a conspiracy theorist too.
     
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    Always the same thing here, when an honest post is made, talk bad about that person, point out a writing flaw, or mispelling, place an age on them... "you must be young" "You must be a *******" "go back to hillary" All that dumb sh*t" Everything most honest people write on here comes from the heart, no agenda, just want what is best for all people. I come from the middle and for PEOPLE on every subject. Not for a political agenda, I cant stand Pelosi, Schumer, or McConnell, nor Trump.
    If I write that, someone on the right will say, your right about hating the dems, but the people on the right are winning for the country, doing gods work.
    It is just insanity, lies, collusion to write such a thing. But it continues with support of big money. Anyone supporting just one side all the time no matter what they do should be ashamed of themselves... In fact, supporting trump is supporting radical right wing neocon paid Fascist Tyranny with strong support for racism... And yet, people will do it out of money, or hate for others. All based on a con artist who has roped them into his corral.
     
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    Because regulation has done wonders for organized labor in this country
     
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    Ah yes, the old conspiracy theory throw out... THere are over 40 different neoconservative think tanks that push the right wing agenda. Every republican has not said a word about TRUMP Debacle, and they must sign an OATH. If that is not one, then it is you that doesnt understand...
    But as usual, that is part of the right ploy, deny deny...
     
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    That's a lot of hatred and envy for those that are successful. Be Successful. You'll like it. And quit your whining. And if you really did care about human flourishing, you'd be fighting for capitalism, not socialism--the only thing socialism creates is cemeteries, killing fields, and rampant poverty; whereas capitalism creates wealth, prosperity, health, and happiness. Want proof--the last 200 years of American history; North Korea vs South Korea, Venezuela before Chavez vs Venezuela after Chavez, and on, and on, and on.

    Wherever socialism is, hell is not far behind; wherever capitalism is, prosperity starts thriving. It's just reality, and nothing more.

    And lastly, to save America, one must reject Progressivism and conservatism, and embrace the one "ism" based on liberty, reason, and living the good life, capitalism.

    Therefore, I am not a liberal nor a conservative, I am a radical for capitalism. Why? Because I love the good life, and enjoy, tremendously, my living it. That's my right as a free man.

    Ayn Rand: "Capitalism demands the best of every man—his rationality—and rewards him accordingly. It leaves every man free to choose the work he likes, to specialize in it, to trade his product for the products of others, and to go as far on the road of achievement as his ability and ambition will carry him. His success depends on the objective value of his work and on the rationality of those who recognize that value. When men are free to trade, with reason and reality as their only arbiter, when no man may use physical force to extort the consent of another, it is the best product and the best judgment that win in every field of human endeavor, and raise the standard of living—and of thought—ever higher for all those who take part in mankind’s productive activity."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

    Capitalism, The Proven Moral System of Progress - Dave Rubin, Onkar Ghate
     
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    A word to the wise: Capitalism works, do your self a favor and fight for it.

    Ayn Rand: "Never mind the low wages and the harsh living conditions of the early years of capitalism. They were all that the national economies of the time could afford. Capitalism did not create poverty—it inherited it. Compared to the centuries of precapitalist starvation, the living conditions of the poor in the early years of capitalism were the first chance the poor had ever had to survive. As proof—the enormous growth of the European population during the nineteenth century, a growth of over 300 per cent, as compared to the previous growth of something like 3 per cent per century."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html
     
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    That's an oversimplification and a bit of a half-truth.
     
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    Truth is truth, and there is always only one truth, but many lies--and half-truths are lies. So what's lie? Capitalism does not create poverty? It does for those that lie, cheat, and steal, but for the honest and productive, capitalism is positively wonderous.
     
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    Some quoted Ayn Rand, the Russian refugee, who was such a loser here that she happily accepted SS and medicare in her old age.
     
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    Corporations are switching in mass to foreign outsourcing and foreign imports

    the real threat is Corporatism

    without consumers with real jobs, the economy will fail
     
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    Yes, a consumer economy requires well paying jobs.
     
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    meanwhile wages are rising to highest levels ever in history even with Democrats taxing and regulating corporate jobs out of the country and even with 30 million liberal illegals here to drive down wages. Imagine the heaven we would enjoy without deadly liberals here to always choke us??
     
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    yes capitalism is embedded in human nature, the more you please your customers and employees the better you do. Its much like a family, the more you support each other the stronger the family becomes.
     

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