The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed

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  1. Herkdriver

    Herkdriver New Member

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    Even for active duty servicemembers Tricare has it's fair share of issues, but it's not like the VA is leaving this gentlemen high and dry. I read somewhere he was offered a job driving a beer truck. Assuming that's a Teamster job, the pay is usually not bad. $20 - 25 per hour to start, and there's benefits provided after a probationary period. It's not glamorous, it's not hunting bad guys, but it's a job which can help provide for his family.
     
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-Afghanistan-I-watched-Harrys-first-kill.html

    Yes, it seems even the prince is a murderer. Congratulations on the Royal Kill.

    I could find no recent declaration of war by Britian against Afghanistan.
    Britian has declared war against Afghanistan on at least three previous occassions.
    1839
    1878
    1919
    All in an attempt to broaden the "empire". They were sent packing all three times.
    Silly little island full of warmongers is what history shows.
     
  3. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Well, like I said, I think it's the journalist, and not necessarily the SEAL, who is painting a hyperbolic picture. The SEAL has your standard complaints and the journalist says "He's screwed." Standard journalistic sensationalism and nonsense, if you ask me. The SEAL is probably regretting the interview already.
     
  4. Hummingbird

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    Employment isn't the issue here - it's what was done to him b/c he left the Navy 3 yrs b/f retirement... he said he asked if there was a transition from his military coverage to Blue Cross and he was told a blunt 'no'. He left on a Friday and by midnite, he no longer had medical coverage. No medical and no pension. To quote him, he was told in essence "you're out of the service, your coverage is over. Thanks for your 16 yrs, now go F- yourself"........ he has every right to be angry and bitter about what was done to him....

    I had always had the utmost respect for the military, but I'm losing it - not for the vets, but for the beauracacy that runs it and this SEAL is more proof of it.......

    A couple of yrs back, 3 SEALS captured the terrorist who masterminded the torture and murder of 4 Americans in Iraq(?) and hung their bodies from a bridge. When they captured him, the terrorist ended up w/a bloody lip and a punch in the stomach, those SEALS ended up facing court-martial...... there's something seriously wrong when the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and the military top brass allows this to be done to the servicemen........
     
  5. Fedgovtyrant

    Fedgovtyrant Banned

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    Oh lord give me a break. No one killed osama bin laden.

    Show me some physical evidence supporting that claim.

    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) naive morons.
     
  6. Mac-7

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    I'm not sure I understand his complaint either.

    First I would ask how long he served and if he worked on his college education at all while he was active duty.

    Success is seldom handed to us.

    We have to earn it and in his case he should be using the GI Bill to earn a degree or learn a skill if he is not academically inclined.

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    Why did he leave the service four years early?
     
  7. Hummingbird

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    Yeah.... Obama and his 'I killed Bin Laden!" Always "I", "ME" in his speeches..... did he ever give credit to the men who did the actual work?

    For me, this would be one of the glories of winning the Lotto - I would make dam sure that that man got a big fi(*)(*)(*)(*)l of $ to take care of himself and his family........
     
  8. Herkdriver

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    I already stated for OEF/OIF veterans, which he is, if it's a service related health issue he's covered for a five year period after his discharge

    Why did he leave the service? He could've been in the reserves and earned points that way towards retirement. If you get mobilized as a reservist you qualfy for coverage under Tricare while on active duty.

    Sorry, but he made his choice by separating from the Navy prior to earning enough points to qualify for 20 year retirement. You know that going in, what is required to attain 20 year eligibility for a pension.

    Oh wait, you shot Bin Laden, we'll just credit you for 4 years additional service, here you go...50% of what you made in the service.

    It doesn't work that way...we all get kicked to the curb short of 20 years, in terms of a pension.
     
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    Of course you don't and no one would expect you to.....
     
  10. Hummingbird

    Hummingbird Well-Known Member

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    Yeah ... and so do the welfare recipients who are capable of working, but encouraged by the libs, such as Pelosi to stay on welfare .....
     
  11. Herkdriver

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    There is also CHCBP which is a health care program intended to provide the veteran with continuous health care coverage on a temporary basis following the loss of military benefits. It acts as a “bridge” between military health benefits and a new job’s medical benefits.

    The guy was offered a job as a beer truck driver, that no doubt includes a benefit package after a probationary period.

    So if I were him I'd take the job offer, take advantage of the Continued Health Care Benefit Program (CHCBP) until the driver job benefits kick in...CHCBP is not free, but it's good for the transition. If he has an injury sustained while in the service, he's covered for five years of treatment under the VA..after he has ETSd.
     
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    marleyfin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The beer truck job was if he went into a witness protection type program. Not sure if that was an offer without severing all ties they currently have and assuming a new identity.

    Being a Seal he is likely a smart guy with a good drive, so hopefully he will eventually find his way. His resume may not have have an extensive applicable work history, but he probably does have other attributes that companies would be interested in hiring him for.
     
  13. Herkdriver

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    Why does he deserve special treatment?

    Over 1.2 million other veterans were part of OIF/OEF/OND...

    So the "rock star" DEVGRU folks deserve the perks? The tv shows , the movies...the status...the pensions, the benefits...for life.

    Can't agree with that.

    He did his job, he got paid for it and received millions in taxpayer funded specialized training. It's up to him now how he transitions, and even with that
    there's avenues the VA provides to assist.
     
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    marleyfin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say he did. I said although he doesn't have work experience in say an office, he does have other attributes companies would find attractive like intelligence and drive. It is not all about applicable work experience.
     
  15. Herkdriver

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    If he words his curriculum vitae carefully yes. Leadership skills, discipline, highly motivated to accomplish a goal, team oriented..yes he any corporation can appreciate those qualities. However, ability to kill a bad guy at a 1,000 yards with one shot....probably not, unless he goes into law enforcement or security work. A big part of war fighting is privatized now, he can always be a mercenary if he likes the excitement.

    Think about the thousands of bombardiers in WW2 after the war ended. They had no flight training, their skill was dropping bombs...
    They went through hell over Europe trying to survive as part of an aircrew in a bomber squadron meeting the required 25 missions..they get home and guess what...no readily transferable job skills.

    What about the bombardier who dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, or Nagasaki? or the radio operator, or the navigator...

    Well, the government needs to reward them, they ended the war in the Pacific.

    It simply doesn't work that way. One of the Marines who raised the flag on Mt. Suribachi at Iwo Jima...died penniless and an alcoholic. The statue depicting his
    flag raising actions is still a tourist attraction in D.C., to this very day. The man died in the gutter basically.

    At some point, after leaving the service, you can't expect the government to hold your hand for the rest of your life.

    Is it unfair?
    At times, yes it is ....

    It's called service to your country for a reason...monetary rewards and glory should not be the motivator.

    This is nothing new.
     
  16. Hummingbird

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    Maybe b/c he was burned out? And he has some physical injuries, including damage to his eyes....

    He also talked about spending more time w/his family....
     
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    He applied for VA disability 4 years before the 20 year requirement for pension.....

    So whether the opposition is he should have waited 4 years, or get a job the fact of the matter is he was screwed by his Government.

    Most Vets are screwed the minute they ask for help, and are demonized by their own in the process. More funding should go into VA disability process so they don't have to wait years.
     
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    Only a few got him... and one in particular. Yes. You get to call him a hero.

    LOL... I wasn't even thinking about Obama... I meant this guy...
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...insider-account-idd-could-face-legal-trouble/
     
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    Stay in for four more (*)(*)(*)(*)ing years or request a medical retirement. DERP!
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again... you do not know his reason for not staying in 4 more years... derp.

    Presumably because it outweighs the obvious benefits... derp.
     
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    I don't disagree.

    Him being a sniper obviously not applicable to many jobs, the commendable characteristics come from him being able to become a Seal.

    The marines that took Iwo Jima and the bombardiers of WWII didn't necessarily have such attributes, but the certainly bravely endangered themselves and endured far worse. It is a shame to hear any of them spending their last years destitute. I have seen the care provided for vets in their elder years, and it not pretty. I was disgusted at the conditions two of my grandfathers endured via the Vets and the state after their own savings ran out. The problems however are probably attributed more to geriatric care in general than that of the Vets.
     
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    I expect him to stay in the Navy until he gets his 20 years or take a medical retirement board like the rest of us. He made a bad choice.
     
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    I don't expect he requires your permission to have "done enough", but he has mine.
     
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    Too bad. It's in the contract.
     
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    Yes... he was clearly aware, having put in 16 years. Your inability to comprehend that there may have been circumstances which made four more untenable does not surprise me.
     

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