The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed

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  1. Jarlaxle

    Jarlaxle Banned

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    Personally, I'd have preferred Osama had been snatched, quietly taken somewhere, and worked over with the hammers of hell for at least a month. Once he has been squeezed dry of everything he knows, shoot him & bury him face-down and coated in lard.
     
  2. leftysergeant

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    I take it you have never served.

    I retired with 14 years, involuntarily, with disability, and recieve full benefits.

    Why didn't the SEAL ask for a medical board?
     
  3. Toefoot

    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This Man knew his skill set and market the moment he decided to leave.
     
  4. liberalminority

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    sitting on welfare pension for the rest of his life? maybe but he earned it

    many vets have to wait years before their approved for VA disability, that is probably what he is protesting.
     
  5. NYCmitch25

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    Yeah, he kind of got off easy. lol Did you see Zero Dark 30 ?
     
  6. RosePop

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    Yeah. What a story he has. The account of him seeing Bin Laden was awesome.
     
  7. Herkdriver

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    If this gentlemen separated from the Navy for a service incurred medical condition; There's two medical boards involved here. The MEB and PEB...
    and once it's determined the servicemember is physically unfit to continue in his or her "job", the PEB is required by law to rate the disability using the VA Dept. schedule for rating disabilities. Ratings can range from 0 to 100% rising in increments of 10. As an anecdotal example, I was given a rating of 10% for a hearing disorder known as tinnitus incurred while in the service...I get $123.00 a month disability pay for that (tax free).

    Leftysergeant is correct about going before the medical boards and determining a disability rating for medical retirement, and I'm curious why the gentlemen didn't do that prior to ETS.
     
  8. Mac-7

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    That was a bad choice.

    He put in 16 years and was only 4 years away from retirement.

    Then he would have some benefits to fall back on.

    He owed it to his family to stay the course.
     
  9. liberalminority

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    There are many stories of vets waiting years for VA disability determinations, he is protesting that not retirement pension.

    They are understaffed, and the Republicans won't allow VA to get more funding to process 'welfare' payments only for weapons and the war machine.
     
  10. Herkdriver

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    Years?
    The average timeline is about 6 weeks once the information is sent to the VA.
    It's also a matter of law, specifically Title 10 U.S. Code; Chapter 61; which allows those service members with less than 20 years credible service for retirement to be retired disability (“Medical Retirement”) if their (MEB & PEB) disability rating is 30% or greater.
     
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    He would not need a VA disability determination if he had stayed in till retirement.
     
  12. Iron River

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    So this guy wants a giant book deal that he can sell this afternoon for millions and free stuff from he American tax pays because he executed Bin Laden for BH Obama??

    Do our other troops want to have an early retirement plan? Do they think that hey should be able to retire early if SEAL work starts to tire them??
     
  13. liberalminority

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    That's not the average time line for approval, many disabled Vets wait years for their VA disability pension. That is because republican lawmakers would rather invest in Weapons rather than 'welfare' for Veterans.

    This is just one article of many:

    Wait time grows for veterans seeking disability benefits

     
  14. Herkdriver

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    You're confused by the two types of ratings.
    There is the DoD (Department of Defense) and VA (Dept. of Verterans Affairs), and while both use the Veteran's Affairs schedule for rating disabilities, not all the general policy provisions apply to the military....in other words disability ratings may vary between the two. The military rates only conditions determined to be physically unfitting, compensating for loss of a military career. The VA may rate any service-connected impairment, thus compensating for loss of civilian employability. The military's ratings are permanent upon final disposition. VA ratings may fluctuate with time, depending upon the progress of the condition.

    The gentlemen in question, this former Navy SEAL, has already ETSd without having established qualification for medical retirement. What he is therefore seeking is not the benefits associated with medical retirement prior to 20 years of service. What he is seeking is benefits and compensation associated with a medical condition he incurred while in service which effects civilian employability.

    The medical board process, as already explained...the MEB/PEB evaluation process occurs prior to ETS. If his case was in limbo between a military disability and a VA disability, he'd go on the TDRL (Temporary Disability Retirement List)...wherein he would be evaluated every 18 months until a final determination is made.

    To the best of my knowledge this gentlemen did not apply for medical retirement pre-ETS, he's making the claim now to the VA for injuries incurred while in service...and yes there's a backlog for those claims...mainly PTSD claims, which quite frankly is difficult to verify.

    Here is the question...

    Did this gentlemen incur injuries to the extent in which he could no longer perform the duties associated with his job as a SEAL...in which case he'd go through
    the process of applying for medical retirement and possibly receive benefits if his disability rating is greater than 30%....
    or
    Did this gentlemen ETS (end term of service) of his own volition, unrelated to a medical conditon, and then apply for benefits to the VA for injuries incurred while in the service that prevent him from civilian employability..

    Are we clear?
     
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    No, that is all fancy jargon to deny a Veteran his due benefits.....No Vet who claims an injury while in service should have to wait a minimum of 8 months for a determination. That is unjust, and that is why this Seal has a legitimate grievance with the system.

    8 months to a several year waiting period is not acceptable for any Veteran who has served their country and claims injury in combat operations...

    This guy is not an ordinary air man or a boat man who are relatively secure and safe during this war time, he faced actual combat situations on the ground and deserves expeditious treatment..Same goes for any Marines and Army who have been in actual ground combat situations...

    We would appreciate it if these men were given their entitlements promptly, I believe they've earned it. Are we clear?
     
  16. Herkdriver

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    Perhaps you should have knowledge of what you're talkinig about, prior to talking about it....instead of the knee jerk....

    "blame the Republicans"

    The gentlemen had 16 years time in service...if he was legitimately injured while in the service that then, prevented him from continuting the duties of a Navy SEAL...
    and medical boards evaluated his condition...a determination would be made to medically retire him early from the Navy, including benefits and compensation (pension.)

    Did he go through the process? or did he simply separate from the Navy after his term of service was up..?

    and yes, the military is all about acronyms, and a Navy SEAL should know the process of applying for medical retirement, particularly as a non-commissioned officer.
     
  17. liberalminority

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    Maybe he didn't know he was sick from combat until he left, he chose to leave early and not get a retirement pension.

    But that has nothing to do with the present situation he is facing, he has apparently had an epiphany that he is indeed disabled so the fault lies with the VA for not getting him his entitlements in a reasonable time frame.

    There are hundreds of thousands of vets in the same predicament, maybe action will be taken higher up since this is a notable and accomplished veteran.
     
  18. Herkdriver

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    The article said "blown disc," and arthritis to name a few ailments.
    Seems to me he'd be aware of that prior to his separation with the Navy.
     
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    My individual physical fitness program went terribly wrong in 1980. I fractured the surgical neck of my left humerus and wound up with a physical profile that forbade push-ups or heavy overhead work. In 1982, some idiot forgot to warn anybody that he had spilled about half the contents of a deep fryer on the floor while we were trying to serve lunch to about 500 people in half an hour, and I screwed up my right knee. In 1987, three years short of ETS, I got orders to go to Germany, dependent on passing the standard PT test. Could not do it any more. It also developed that I could no longer get my elbow under my weapon in a prone position to fire for qualification.

    Bare minimum is that even the mess sergeant needs to be able to shoot back or run away. If you can't do either, you have a life-threatening condition, so, if you are otherwise qualified for retention, they tell you to take your blue card and go home before somebody really gets hurt. I went before the medical board about a month after failing my last PT test. I walked out that day with a profile against running in formation or any farther than the pain in my knee permitted. A week later, I got a determination that I was medically unfit for retention, but otherwise qualified, thus would be medically retired. From the time I went before the board to the time I out-processed it took about 4 months, during which time I had only such duty as my condition allowed and my entire PT program consisted of riding a bicycle. I even missed a couple of field problems. (I really didn't want to go to Yakima in the dead of winter anyway.) I left with 30% disability due to the arthritic knee and limited range of motion in my shoulder. A month later, I was seen at American Lake VA Hospital for up-take examination. Two months later, they sent me notice that my disability level had been increased to 40% because of severe tinitus. (My first enlistment had been in the Air Force as a Fire Protection Specialist, so I spent a lot of time sitting right beside the runway listening to all manner of aircraft taking off, and, generally speaking, most of them were bloody LOUD.)

    This was, of course, in 1988, when the military could get pretty much what they asked for from congress.

    I have full access to all of the military facilities from the gym to the sportsman's rifle range and commissary at the local military installation. Because of my retired/disabled status, I have access to either VA or military hospitals, my wife only to the military hospitals under Tricare. We generally use Madigan AMC for emergencies, and my care provider for long-term is at American Lake VAH.

    Both seem to be a bit under-staffed these days. I have to agree with those who say that somebody has budgeted the war wrong because they have not funded VA or the military hospitals adequately to handle the load. VA seems to have taken the hardest hit. THe trouble seems to have started about 2001 when they got an unexpected surge of veterans in need of some very specialized care.


    Good luck getting seen by Behavioral Science if it is not already on your discharge papers.

    Apparently, it does take an awfully long time now to get before the board if you are still on active duty. I have met a few hideously mutilated individuals who have been hanging around Madigan for more than a year awaiting final disposition even after they have been told that there is nothing more, medically, that can be done for them. I find this unacceptable.

    Still, the SEAL was offered a non-combat positon, from which he could have worked the medical board system while still getting paid handsomely, perhaps passing on some of his hard-learned lessons to a new generation. If his family were that concerned about security, I can think of no better place to live than on a military installation. They don't even have to go shopping around people who have not been screened to at least some degree.

    So, yes, I would have to attribute a lot of this man's troubles on his own bad choices.
     
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    I don't know anybody who made a habit of jumping out of airplanes without doing something to their backs, and running in formation with a thirty-pound rucksack and God knows what other gear is NOT GOOD for your knees. He probably doesn't hear too well, either by now.
     
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    Summed up very nicely!

    Well done, and thank you for your service from one tinnitus sufferer to another.

    The medical board process is not perfect and the VA is indeed, severely strained with back-logged claims...yet
    bottom line up front, the SEAL made a bad choice.
     
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    stop being a troll... this is osama bin laden we are talking about here.
     
  23. Iolo

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    Anyone named by your media as an enemy may be murdered, huh? Hitler had the same view.
     
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    Yet if it were hitler killer here you would be calling that murder as well... so cut the crap...
     
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    Or what about the one who's second in command said:

    "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had".

    Then sent troops in vehicles without armour into combat. Resulting in the troops having to go through rubbish dumbs, looking for sheet metal so they could armour their own vehicles in the field.

    Taking pot shots off people is easy, but remember... you can go back to any of your presidents and make similar observations.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Exactly. No evidence released, just US hysteria...
     

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