The McConnell Rule

One thing I had forgotten, but was reminded of recently, is the fact that, if Trump is removed, Pence becomes President. He could, of course, appoint a new Vice President. But the appointment must be confirmed by a majority vote in both chambers of Congress.

But McConnell laid the rule that would be applicable for any such confirmation during an election year, didn't he?

I know it's highly unlikely that Republicans in the Senate will remove Trump. But in the remote case that they did, shouldn't Congress... and, particularly, the House, apply "The McConnell Rule" with whoever Pence nominates as VP?

 

Very interesting information. I think that we should not allow McConnell and Trump to set the standard for behavior. Part of my mind would love to have the House really stick it to McConnell and the Republicans, but ultimately we need to get back to honesty and honor.

 

I completely agree with you that McConnell and Trump should never become the standard for everything. But I don't see how we would ever return to honesty and honor if Republicans don't realize that their dishonest actions also work the other way. The way to do this is to show them first that they don't want this precedent in place by showing them in a practical sense, and then push for legislation to stop it.

If Democrats don't proceed this way, and they simply don't use this precedent, you can be sure that Republicans will. And if they push for legislation without the proper context (i.e. "a taste of their own medicine"), Republicans will just make up a context that benefits them politically. And nothing will change....

 

What if the Democrats lose the house in 2020 and Trump wins again, what's to stop Trump from initiating an investigation into the whole impeachment scam? The answer is nothing and he should and the whole thing be expunged from his record but let history reflect the Dem's criminal attempts (all of them) to unseat a duly elected president.

 

The 2nd A?

I'm kidding! Nothing will stop him except the fact that there is nothing to investigate about "the whole impeachment scam"

Oh. I see where you're going. Sorry dude... no! Trump will go down in History as an Impeached President. Nothing can stop that now.

History cannot be expunged. Just ask those who have tried: Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot,... They tried really really hard but... we know what they did.

It's possible that History might forget some isolated "misstep" by a President. It might "forget" or at least give less importance at things like JFK doing Marilyn Monroe, or FDR locking up Americans because they "looked" Japanese, or Obama's role in messing up Libya. But that's only because those President did other great things History remembers them by. There is nothing positive in Trump's administration that he can be remembered for.

So you're outta luck.

 

If the McConnell rule were actually a rule you might have a point. Good luck taking the Senate this year, though, and then Democrats can make all the zany "non rules" they want. Otherwise, tough titty.

 

McConnell's rule is screw the Democrats any way possible, lie cheat, steal, block legislation, ignore rules... . There is nothing honorable about McConnell. If ever there was a politician who deserved a good neck stretching, it is McConnell.

 

The democrats should nullify the impeachment and start all over. They handed a piece of garbage to the senate and they expect the senate to fix it. The senate has no incentive to fix it.

 

No. Except for the fact that they are running out of time, the House will -- as I have predicted for years -- immediately begin impeachment inquiries on Pence.

 

But I don't think the Dems in the House are prepared to do that.

 

Sorry but the record will ALWAYS show Trump was Impeached. There is no “expungements”

 

I hope you guys get stuck with Pence. I will laugh for a straight year (might even die from laughter). Imagine, democrats working so hard to remove Donald Trump, the most unconservative conservative there is, and replace him with the MOST conservative guy out there. Trump doesn't actually care about abortion or gay marriage. PENCE DOES THOUGH! Please get rid of Trump as I got lots of popcorn ready and when pence is in, let the REAL liberal tear fest begin!

 

Trump is a horror show. I’d take my chances with Pence

 

And if the case is dismissed, or Trump is acquitted, then the record will ALWAYS show Trump as "not guilty."

Or are people to be stigmatized for crimes for which they are found not guilty? Does that apply to everyone? I sure don't want to live in that society.

 

“Acquitted” by partisan Republicans who refused to hear witnesses or allow evidence

 

"Impeached" by partisan Democrats in a wholly partisan vote who denied all manner of procedure unjustly... and they STILL couldn't come up with legitimate grounds or any direct evidence of the feeble grounds they chose.

Also, dodge noted.

 

The record will show that Trump was impeached but the Republican Party chose to ignore his corruption. Nothing new.

The trial isn’t about guilt or innocence, in fact Trump has mostly admitted to all of the alleged wrongdoing. The Trial in the Senate is to decide if Trump should be removed or not.

 

It appears that is what Pelosi is counting on. She has repeatedly said that impeachment is forever. The house is using their power to impeach for political purposes. That is an abuse of power by the house.

 

People kept saying that if Trump is impeached that Pence would pardon Trump. Except the constitution specifically prohibits it.

“[The President] ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”

 

McConnell's rule is screw America.

 

McConnell rules make fair trial ‘impossible,’ Schiff says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3a_story.html#link-25WMCE2IBQ3MRNQQ3QDBPRCXJI

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), the House Intelligence Committee chairman and lead impeachment manager, continued the Democratic broadside against proposed Senate rules governing the impeachment trial in remarks to reporters Tuesday.

The rules McConnell released Monday evening and a lack of witnesses would make it “impossible to have a fair trial,” Schiff said. “Not just difficult, but impossible.”

Flanked by the six other impeachment managers, Schiff said the proposed rules do not live up to McConnell’s own standard of following the precedent established in the 1999 impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton.

 

The house had the opportunity to add all the witnesses they wanted However, they chose to hurry it up and then spend a month waiting. The house now wants the senate to do their job for them. The house has two choice. They can accept the senate rules and wait for a vote on the witnesses or they can negate the impeachment and start over an do it right this time. One of the lessons I was taught growing up that any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time. Apparently the democrats have not learned that lesson.

 

The abuse of power is Trump soliciting other countries to help him in his election and reelection campaigns. Between Trump’s shenanigans and the voter suppression in the South, it seems to me that Republicans can’t win without cheating.

 

So far, they have no direct proof Trump made the funds conditional. However, it is very clear that Pelosi is using the house for political purposes.

 

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