The Monsanto Gen Technique Mafia and its methods!

What kind of watermelons are you growing, Woogs? We've had big problems with mildew on the less resistant varieties.

 

Americans consume a lot of calorie-dense foods today, lots of wheat- and corn-based crapola.

 

True, but all that crap existed 50+ years ago. Why the sudden urge to over-consume?

 

I grow orange tendersweet. I live on the Mississippi coast, so It's plenty hot and humid here. Never had a mildew problem with them.

 

If sobo got something right for a change there is hope for everyone

 

Agree that anything grown at home is better than anything in the store, but, Monsanto is evil and must be destroyed. **** them and their desire to control the world's food supply. I know how many aren't a fan of diversity, but in our food supply, diversity is critical.

 

Thuricide is bt

And it is a general pestidide

Most of the food we consume is grown on large acerages

The best farmers know what pesticides sre recommended for each pest

BUt they still spray something that the picky euros may not approve of

 

We can't really say he's right at this point. All we can say is that there are no known health hazards and the long-term results are unknown. If I am wrong to be cautious, the worst that can happen is that I spent too much money on organic food for my family.

 

Organically grown food is more nutrient dense than food grown using chemical fertilizer. That's because commercial fertilizers have the macro-nutients, but lack the micro-nutrients.

If it ain't in the dirt, it ain't in the food.

 

It is bt but it won't kill everything.

They're welcome to come over here and pull weeds and pick bugs by hand...

 

I'm all for diversity which is why I don't shop at WalMart...

 

I understand the organic movement

But it does cost more money

Mass produced food is difficult to grow organically

I see new ideas all the tome

Some of them are practical on a mass scale and others not so much

I’ll give you one example of the problems conventional farmers face

Strawberries are an important crop around the world

But if grown year after year in the same field very destructive pests build up in the soil

The most important fungicide is called meythl bromide but it is being banned for future use on environmental concerns

And there is no known replacement at this time

https://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i23/Strawberries-Peril-Fumigant-Phaseout.html

So expect strawberries to be in short supply and higher priced very soon

 

You are talking about insecticides. Although insecticides are pesticides just like fungicides and herbicides are pesticides.

 

And this is the point ... jerks of Monsantos had their figers in it ... and in Europe such an issue is unthinkable to happen. Every politican who does such a thing can emigrate from the country at us!

 

The funny thing is that in Europe we Americans see you in the subject just as credulous to negligent.

Not only billions of profits are in this area, but some people say trillions! The whole industry is very powerful and purposely undermines the government agencies and approval procedures to eliminate even every possible obstacle.

The fact is that the whole studies do not contain any long-term consequences and there are dangers right here, as the wealth of experience shows.

 

But that is because with you the consumer protection is a very strange thing!
On the one hand, a long time ago a woman MacDonalds successfully sued for millions of dollars because the coffee mug toppled over her and she scalded herself because the coffee was too hot ... something where the judges would rather ask the woman if she had any mental problems has to admit than the lawsuit at all.
On the other hand, the labeling requirement and the associated regulations in the US are a bad joke compared to the EU.


In addition, with you also not so the will exists as with us to inform oneself about something generally enough. If Professor Miller from the University of XYZ says so, then it will be true ... that is more your attitude. With us you look further and look for more sources of information and believe something not so fast ...

 

Because companies like Monsantos infiltrate the licensing authorities.

And one point is also the diversity of the whole and I remind you that the Monsanto plants spread through natural pollen!
This has, as outlined evil consequences with Monsanto itself, if they then sued farmers who unintentionally because of their stuff in the field ...
But it also supplants the natural alternatives and that's Monsanto's intention!

What do you actually say about these gagging contracts of Monsanto with the farmers?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/health/monsanto-johnson-trial-verdict/index.html

Jury awards $289 million in damages after man says he got terminal cancer from Monsanto's Roundup

By Holly Yan, CNN

Updated 6:33 PM ET, Fri August 10, 2018
(CNN)In a groundbreaking case against agricultural giant Monsanto, a jury has awarded $250 million in punitive damages and nearly $40 million in compensatory damages to a former school groundskeeper who said he got terminal cancer from the weedkiller Roundup.

Dewayne Johnson was seeking about $400 million in punitive damages and $39 million in compensatory damages from Monsanto, his attorney Timothy Litzenburg said.

Johnson's victory Friday could set a massive precedent for thousands of other cases against Monsanto.

Johnson was the first of hundreds of cancer patients to take the company to court over its popular weedkiller, Roundup.

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How carcinogenic (or not) are Roundup and glyphosate?
The big questions at stake were whether Roundup can cause cancer and, if so, whether Monsanto failed to warn consumers about the product's cancer risk.

In March 2015, the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) said the key ingredient in Roundup, glyphosate, is "probably carcinogenic to humans."

"For the herbicide glyphosate, there was limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans for non-Hodgkin lymphoma," the report states.
But Monsanto has long maintained that Roundup does not cause cancer, and that the IARC report is greatly outnumbered by studies saying glyphosate is safe.

"More than 800 scientific studies, the US EPA, the National Institutes of Health and regulators around the world have concluded that glyphosate is safe for use and does not cause cancer," said Scott Partridge, Monsanto's vice president of strategy.

He highlighted the Agricultural Health Study, which studied the effects of pesticides and glyphosate products on farmers and their spouses from 1993 to 2013.

"Many had already been using Roundup and other formulated products (since) it first came on the market," Partridge said.
A summary of that study said "no association was apparent between glyphosate and any solid tumors or lymphoid malignancies overall, including NHL (non-Hodgkin's lymphoma)."

"We all have sympathy for Mr. Johnson," Partridge said. "It's natural he's looking for answers. Glyphosate is not the answer."

But Litzenburg said glyphosate isn't the big problem -- Roundup is. He said the interaction between glyphosate and other ingredients in Roundup cause a "synergistic effect" that makes the product more carcinogenic.

Monsanto spokeswoman Charla Lord disputed that notion, saying regulatory authorities help ensure Roundup as a whole is safe.

"The safety of each labeled use of a pesticide formulation must be evaluated and approved by regulatory authorities before it is authorized for sale," she said.

The National Pesticide Information Center -- a cooperative between Oregon State University and the EPA -- said studies on cancer rates in humans "have provided conflicting results on whether the use of glyphosate containing products is associated with cancer."

What did Johnson have to prove?

While it's impossible to prove Roundup caused Johnson's terminal illness, it's also impossible for Monsanto to prove Roundup did not cause his cancer.

"Cancer is a very difficult case to try," Litzenburg said. "You can't X-ray it or biopsy it and come back with what caused it."

In this case, Monsanto was not required to prove anything. The burden of proof was on Johnson, the plaintiff.

But that doesn't mean Johnson's team had to prove Roundup was the sole cause of his non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. The question was whether Roundup was a "substantial contributing factor" to Johnson's illness.

"Under California law, that means Mr. Johnson's cancer would not have occurred but for his exposure to Roundup," Monsanto spokeswoman Lord said.

She noted that it's possible his cancer could have developed from something unrelated to Roundup.

The majority of lymphoma cases are idiopathic -- meaning the cause is unknown, according to the American Cancer Society.

Litzenburg agreed that most non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cases have not been linked to one primary reason in the past. But he said the tide is starting to turn -- similar to how it took decades for people to learn that tobacco can be a big contributing factor for lung cancer.

"You can't take a lung cancer tumor and run a test that proves that tobacco caused that cancer. ... You're seeing the same thing here," Litzenburg said. "I think we're in the beginning of that era of this dawning on us as a country -- as a public -- the connection between these two things."

Thousands of cases to follow

Litzenburg said he and other attorneys have more than 2,000 similar cases awaiting trial in various state courts.

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Rough times ahead for Monsanto!

 

You mean Bayer.

 

Fantastic news.

 

Dicamba doesn't work as well on Poison Ivy as glyphosate. I know that from much experience. And Dicamba costs at least 3 times as much. You can get a 2.5 gallon jug of generic 41% glyphosate at Rural King for about $30, which will last for years.

So, I'll take care not to spray the grass with glyphosate. It's usually not hard, as Poison Ivy favors edge habitats, the border between forested and open areas. If I find a bit in the middle of the lawn, then I'll break out the 2-4,D/Dicamba mix, the stuff I use on the dandelions.

Dicamba is also more poisonous, and more prone to drift. Glyphosate is about as poisonous to humans as table salt. Any talk of sterilizing the soil is nonsense. I wish it would sterilize the soil, because if it did, I wouldn't have to treat the fence line with glyphosate multiple times each year. Farmers aren't dumb, and they wouldn't use glyphosate if it destroyed their soil.

 

Cereal killers: Monsanto weedkiller that can ‘probably’ cause cancer found in children’s breakfasts
Published time: 16 Aug, 2018 04:04Edited time: 16 Aug, 2018 09:38

A farmer sprays crops with glyphosate-based herbicide © Jean-Francois Monier / AFP

A hearty bowl of oatmeal is a healthy way to start your day, but according to a new study, that bowl of oatmeal can contain dangerous levels of glyphosate, a weed-killing chemical linked to cancer.
The study, carried out by the non-profit Environmental Working Group, found that 43 out of 45 popular breakfast cereals tested in three locations in the US contained traces of glyphosate. 31 of these contained dangerously high levels of the chemical.

Glyphosate is the active ingredient in Roundup, a weedkiller manufactured by Monsanto. Roundup is the most popular weedkiller in the US, and last week a court in California ordered the company to pay $39 million in compensation and $250 million in punitive damages to a school groundskeeper who developed non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma after years of using Roundup at work.

The World Health Organization’s cancer research agency classified glyphosate as “probably carcinogenic to humans” in 2015. In the US, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) labeled glyphosate a carcinogen in 1985, but reversed its position in 1991. In 2017, California listed glyphosate in its Proposition 65 registry of chemicals known to cause cancer.

The cereals tested weren’t all lurid-colored Lucky Charms or sugar-crusted Frosties, but oat-based ‘healthy’ choices. The high levels of glyphosate came from the oats themselves.

The highest levels were found in Quaker Old Fashioned Oats - 1,000 parts per billion (ppb) of glyphosate. The EWG calculated levels above 160 ppb as unsafe for children. Giant Instant Oatmeal contained 760 ppb, and three samples of Cheerios contained concentrations of between 470 and 530 ppb.

250 million pounds of glyphosate are sprayed on American crops every year, but the highest concentrations of the chemical are found in non-GMO wheat, barley, oats, and beans. Farmers spray these crops with glyphosate right before harvest time, as they kill the crop and dry it out, making it ready for harvest quicker.

All oats are not equal though. The EWG also tested 16 cereals made with organically-grown oats. While five of these contained glyphosate, none were above the group’s health benchmark of 160 ppb. While organic foods should by definition be free of chemicals like glyphosate, these chemicals can often drift onto these crops from nearby fields of conventionally-grown crops, or at factories that handle both kinds of crop.

 

I think it is important to differentiate between the two issues.

1. Whether or not mega-corporations should control the food supply is one issue.
2. Genetically modified crops being dangerous or not is another

On the first issue, in my opinion, farming should most definitely NOT be controlled by large faceless corporations. I work with farmers everyday and in my experience and with very few exceptions, it is the small operations (where the guy who owns the farm is the same guy driving the tractor) that are concerned about the health of their product and of those who consume it. They also tend to be better stewards of the environment. When farms are run by guys wearing suits all of those factors take a back seat in a huge way.

On the GMO issue, most of the opposition is hysteria, IMO. The same type of thing happened when farmers started using hybrid cultivars (plant varieties produced by cross-pollination whose seeds aren't true to type). There is nothing magical about genetic modification. Any organism produced in the lab could theoretically be produced naturally through mutation so being a GMO doesn't automatically make it good or bad.