The moon landing is fake.

Discussion in 'Moon Landing' started by Yant0s, Mar 28, 2019.

  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    A good laugh for the road for the viewers:

    Explain again why you maintain that the fluttering of the flag at the thirty second mark of this video is consistent with its being in a vacuum.

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008
     
  2. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You are absolutely full of crap.

    Here is the flow of this exchange:-

    1. On the one hand you insist that a flag can behave like that in water.
    2. To prop up this quite ludicrous argument you then suggest that they slowed down the footage.
    3. Even you are not crazy enough to suggest that the flag motion is normal.
    4. You were presented with a video slowing down the footage so that the astronaut is barely moving, yet the flag still moves way too fast in water.
    5. You insisted that this barely moving astronaut, with still quite quick motions of the flag are normal.
    6. You are lying, you know this is not normal.
    7. The flag changes direction opposite the direction of the pole, something impossible in water. It is effectively the pole pushing a straight flag through the water.
    8. There is no billowing whatsoever at any point.
    9. Throughout this you cherry pick a tiny fragment of motion that to you "flutters".

    Now, you need to answer this:

    If the motion is slowed down, the astronauts barely moving, that "flutter" is nothing, It is just barely moving! EXPLAIN that please.

    Quite clearly you are off the scale crazy if you think any of that looks shot in water.



    But to supplement my question above, that tiny segment slowed to 25%. The flag is still having short bursts too fast for water, no billowing and the flagstick "pushing" the flag - impossible. Nothing will register to the spammer. Ass whooping. Maybe he'll ask about the "bubble" and get another ass whooping. The problem though, is that he is too entrenched to concede his error. He knows he is wrong though, nobody can be that dumb.

     
  3. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    You're analyzing the wrong footage. The footage you refer to at the 3:06 time mark of your video* is not the same footage I referred to at the 00:30 time mark of my video**. Evidently in your video he's not moving the flag fast enough to make it flutter. In my video he's moving the flag fast enough to make it flutter. Only a gaseous or liquid medium would cause it to flutter like that. I also never said they slowed the footage down in that particular footage. I said that about this footage.


    Your misrepresenting my position in your video amounts to slander. That's a pretty low tactic. If you're a sincere truth-seeker, you'll post this link in the comment section of your video which makes my position clear.

    forum (dot) cosmoquest (dot) org/showthread (dot) php?169361-The-Chinese-spacewalk-was-faked-in-a-water-tank

    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?169361-The-Chinese-spacewalk-was-faked-in-a-water-tank


    I have a few YouTube accounts but I'm shadowbanned on all of them. I tried openning a new account with a different email account but they wanted my mobile phone number so I didn't register.

    Please post that link in the comment section of your video so that the viewers will see my true position on the Chinese spacewalk.


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    The Chinese Flag during their spacewalk

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    Chinese Space Walk - 2008
     
  4. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]

    Regardless of the spammer now moving the goalposts! The gif above shows the flag being pushed AHEAD of the stick. In water? Are you crazy?
     
  5. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You despicable liar. That is the exact segment at the 30 second mark!! Any random arm jerking can cause a fluttering effect. You are busted completely.

    Seriously? An English teacher says slander, when the bullshit word you meant was libel. Incorrect. Since you are an anonymous internet spammer, your complaint caries no legal weight. Further, you are actually lying, so the claim is completely accurate.

    It is exactly what you posted. You just got another ass whooping, for you that is a daily occurrence.

    You are neither sincere or a truth seeker. Comment added - you joke.

    Is there anything worse than a paranoid loon who doesn't realise that he is a paranoid loon?

    Done.
     
  6. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Does that mean you posted this...

    ...in the comment section of your video? I checked and I didn't see it.
     
  7. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you need to visit the opticians.

    https://i.imgur.com/YEChOPz.gif

    You avoided most of the content in my last 3 posts, including something in post #79 that even you are not able to deny.
     
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  8. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I clicked on this and nothing happened.

    [​IMG]



    You've got two videos. I looked at the comment section in this one.

    The Chinese Flag during their spacewalk



    The link is not there. In the other video I had to click on "Mejores comentarios" (Best comments) and change it to "Màs recientes primero" (Most recent first) to be able to see it. Most people won't do that. If you don't put it where all the viewers can see it without doing something special, most viewers will never see it. If you don't make sure all of the viewers can see it, you're misrepresenting my position.

    I see what you did now. You doctored the movement of the flag in your video. Anyone can see that the fluttering is there in this video...

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008


    ...and not there in your video (see above video "
    The Chinese Flag during their spacewalk"). Since I can't post comments in the comment section of your video without entering my mobile phone number, I'm asking that you post a link to this thread there or say openly that I think you manipulated your video with a link to the other video that has the fluttering. Of course you won't do it but at least all of the viewers here will see how you manipulate things.
     
  9. cerberus

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    It would have a bit more adult credence if the term EVA were used, rather than the Dan Dare-esque 'space walk'? I mean puhleeaze!! Someone please tell NASA we're not kiddies just out of diapers?
     
  10. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You clicked on an animated gif? You're not much good at technology are you!
    See the flagstick pushing the fabric?
    Your problem not mine!

    Yes it is. Your hopeless grasp of the internet is your problem not mine. I have deleted and redone, pinned to the top.



    What viewers? Nobody is going to even bother with that video. If you have a problem with the link, post your own one. Just a small piece of advice if you are paranoid, put an incorrect mobile number in!

    No you didn't, you got owned and have to find an out.

    I don't believe you even think that obvious bullshit. ANYONE can replicate what I just did, that is anyone with a braincell.



    There is no fluttering, you have been ass whooped yet again.



    It's the same footage - identical - it was what I used .

    You fake excuse for a "truther". I shudder to think how clueless an individual is to think that flag movement could possibly be in water. Unrestricted, no billowing.

    Hey how come you didn't answer to the impossible fabric pushing activity in my animated gif? If you think that is possible, you should get down a swimming pool and give it a try!!
     
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  11. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I put this one in .5 slow motion and it became obvious that you didn't doctor your video. I should have tried that sooner.

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008



    I was wrong on that but he flutter isn't as clear in slow-motion. At normal speed the flutter is very clear. That flutter can only be caused by a gaseous or liquid medium.

    That has nothing to do with the flutter in question. The fabric is being pulled, not pushed.


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  12. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You are a total disgrace. NONE of my videos are ever doctored. Your knee jerk response is because you get your ass kicked!

    BULLSHIT. The motion is ludicrous for water. Nobody can be stupid enough to claim otherwise. Slowed down there are movements too quick. No billowing and the stick pushing the fabric.

    Hogwash. There is nothing odd about it in any way.

    You liar. The stick is PUSHING the flag. Absolutely impossible in water.
     
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  13. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    You doctored this video to make it look like the pole moved.

    The Apollo 15 flag waving mystery - part 5

    (1:15 time mark)


    In the original footage the pole doesn't move.

    Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.


    We talked about this before.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sly-in-a-studio.362999/page-5#post-1065076608


    Not at the 00:30 time mark of this video.

    (post #76)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...landing-is-fake.553296/page-4#post-1070475986
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    No I did not. Prove it with actual stills rather than your dumb "placing the cursor" crap. You also failed completely to explain how lens flares can move within a static camera shot. I don't think you even understand what that means.

    The Apollo 15 flag waving mystery - part 5

    (1:15 time mark)

    Yes it does. Spam removed.



    You made the same spam claim before and failed to prove it. You are a busted flush. Your only recourse is to deny evidence that is in your face.

    So what! I never claimed the flag being pushed was at that mark. The point is, that fabric is being pushed in water. That is impossible. If you cannot understand this, that is your problem. Normal people know this doesn't happen in water.
     
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  15. Scott

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    Can you show the exact time mark in the video in post #76 at which you got that clip?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...landing-is-fake.553296/page-4#post-1070475986

    Normal people know that the fluttering at the 00:30 time mark of that video doesn't happen in a vacuum.
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    It is obvious where they come from.
    https://i.ibb.co/X5NPQRd/Frame-1.png
    https://i.ibb.co/Gth57Tn/Frame-2.png
    https://i.ibb.co/mCbj6Gh/Frame-3.png

    There is no fluttering, even mild judder of an arm can create any similar effect. NOBODY agrees with your crazy claims about this being in water - it is one of the dumbest things anyone can claim. It's almost as stupid as claiming one of the Beatles was replaced!
     
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    Beta, I have to congratulate you on the great gif of the flag waving chinese aquanaut - but we have been here before and you don't seem to remember that there is empirical evidence that shows that some types of flags do look just like that underwater:

    "PH flag planted underwater on Philippine Rise":


    But the most important thing about your gif is that it shows the aquanaut moving just like we would expect in water; as he quickly moves the flag towards him, the resistance of the water pulls his upper torso forward and we see his legs pull upward. In zero g/vacuum we would not see this kind of motion - in fact, we would see the opposite.

    So, congrats again for the strong evidence of underwater spacewalks. Scott is right about this and anyone who does a little research will realize it too...
     
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    I recall exactly what your "evidence" showed. The flags used in that video are plastic fixed shapes. They pretty much do whatever the stick supporting them tells them to do. The flags in the Chinese footage are clearly flexible and bear no significant resemblance. Who shook your cage?

    Ridiculous claim.

    Nonsense.

    The opposite? Explain this.

    The spacewalk is in space. It takes profound ignorance not to see this.

    Don't flatter yourself, yours is not research and the idea that you think looking at external things to the footage is significant is hogwash.

    The gif I produced, shows the fabric being pushed in "water". If it was fixed shape, that would not be a problem, but clearly it is fabric.
     
  19. Scott

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    Bang on 30 seconds.
    Must be an unusual experience getting a "viewer" to agree with your crazy claims.

    Regardless of whether you asked for the Apollo 15 clips, there they are, un-doctored. Make an online gif and you will see that it does exactly as I claimed. You are busted.
     
  21. Scott

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    The sequence is exactly at 30 seconds and the gif is not gone! It is in a post at the top of this page - post#79.
     
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    There's no gif there on my screen - just the letters "IMG" between brackets. Nothing happens when I click on it.
     
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    How convenient! Both gifs that standalone blow your argument away and you suddenly can't see them?

    Get a decent computer. Or run the footage slow at 30 seconds. He is pushing fabric and you have no honest answer.
     
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    I was thinking something similar about you. Your gifts obviously don't show what you say they show so you make them disappear before too many viewers see them (I suspect that you're one of the people who have that privilege).

    I can't see anything that's inconsistent with the footage's having been filmed in water or anything consistent with its having been filmed in a vacuum. I think most viewers aren't swayed by rhetoric or patronizing authoritative attitudes. They form opinions on what they see.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...landing-is-fake.553296/page-4#post-1070475986
     

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