The most important occupation

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    we need leaders who organize and inspire the communal efforts that become civilization. Whether we call them chief of our tribe, or king or president of our country, we need political bosses for the institution of government however large or small.
     
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    As a teacher I have learned never to make assumptions about parents. Some of the best parents have the worst kids and some of the worst parents have the best kids. The reality is when they become adolescents it is their peers who are the biggest influence. Adolescents have to separate and we hope that they do it in benign ways.
    I am finishing another book I wrote and this one is for parents with teenagers. And then you flip it over and it is for teenagers with parents. I taught sex education for 15 years and was the confidante of thousands of teenagers through journals...What is concerning me is that things are changing so fast that hopefully the book will be relevant. It is not due to come out for at least eight months
     
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    I do not believe this for a second. Of course bad parents will make sure to look clean, proper and representable as they go to the Parent-Teacher-Conference, so teachers really only get to see their "front stage". Thinking that the side parents show in the presence of the teacher is their true selves is rather naive.

    Good parents have good kids. Bad parents have bad kids. There might be one or two exceptions here and there, but those are just in place to confirm the rule.

    And if their peers have bad parents, bad parenting is still the source and what is to be blamed.
     
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    With skyrocketing divorce rates and evergoing fall of neighbourhood and community and an infantile trust for the State to handle our problems and raise our kids, finding such leaders is impossible.

    There was a time when those leaders were called Mother, Father and Family. There was a time when that guidance was found in God and "fellow tribesmen" where found in Church and next-door.Sometimes, inspiration was found in school too, but school is in free-fall and teachers are either over-loaded with work and/or completely incapable of teaching kids anything at all.

    There was a time when teenage idols were not a bunch of wife-beating footballers and a herd of promiscuous pop-princesses. Those times are, sadly, dead and gone.
     
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    One simply does not mess with the Constitution. I am not an American and therefore prefer not to speak on this matter. :D

    Having an "alternating monarchy" defeats the whole purpose of a monarchy.
     
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    Forgive me but you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about..It’s sad how you scapegoat parents and blame them for everything. I’m sure that Bill Clinton and Obama had great parents but if they didn’t turn out well, you’d blame their parents divorces and Trump must’ve had awful parents (tongue in cheek)
     
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    Lol...You sound like every old fogey blaming the next generation. I suggest you look at the video of Woodstock
    What is a promiscuous pop princess? I don’t know where you live but where I live men. Are much more promiscuous...oh wait, sex is only for men
     
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    Whom else should I blame? Patriarchy™? :no:

    I am confused...What does Clinton, Obama and Trump have to do with any of this? :confusion:
     
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    Now, hold on a second! I am not at all blaming the "next generation", I am blaming the previous generation and do not have much kind words to share about the atrocity that is the "Woodstock Generation" ('Boomers').

    Sex is only for men? At least brush your teeth before you decide to breathe such exhaust fumes of misinterpretations... How the heck did you make that conclusion from reading what I wrote? :eyepopping:

    The "Promiscuous Pop-Princess" is just as negative of a role model as the "Promiscuous Rap Prince", I thought that was self-evident to everyone, but apparently everything is about gender and whenever anything is being said it is always an expression of "misogyny". Geez... Talk about being extremist. :bored:
     
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    You shouldn’t blame anyone unless you know they’re situations. A lot of blame goes to peers. You are an adolescent your peers words mean much more especially if they’re making fun of you
    The reason I used Clinton and Obama was because both of them came from broken homes and you blame parents ..
     
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    Nonsense. The world is awash in BS jobs.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642706138/bs-jobs-how-meaningless-work-wears-us-down

    The one I remember from the podcast is college professors' assistant. Many colleges have massive amounts of money in their coffers(thanks to all that sweet, sweet student loan $$$$) and it's become a status symbol for a professor to have a large staff of assistants. There's not all that much work involved in being a college professor, so their assistants mostly end up doing pointless busy work, or they wile away the hours just going through the motions, and pretending like they're working.

    Then there's the whole "rubber rooms" thing.
    I used to do work at a GM foundry plant in upstate NY, and there was a guy whose job it was to keep track of the rail cars that brought in iron ore. It was a pretty easy job, because they had switched from iron engine blocks to aluminum, and the aluminum was delivered on semi trucks.

    So, yeah, there hadn't been a railcar delivery to the plant in years, but the job of keeping track of the railcars was union-mandated, and so a guy got paid UAW wages to sit on his ass, drink coffee, read the paper, and keep track of all zero of the railcars that went in and out.

    There are plenty of paychecks issued to people who do work that's utterly pointless. I know, I've cashed a few of them in my day.
     
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    I very clearly stated that there are - of course - exceptions, but that these exceptions only serve to confirm the rule -- Bad parenting creates bad children. It is absolutely inconceivable to me how, or even why, anyone would question this.
     
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    The super achiever codependency
     
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    So you've solved the nature vs nurture problem all by yourself. Impressive!
     
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    And what is good parenting to some is bad parenting to others.
    Oh if only life was as simple as you portray it. I have worked with adolescents for more than 25 years as well as their parents. If I judged a child the way you wanted me to I would be a very unfair person
     
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    And what is a good person to some is a bad person to others. For example, most trumpers love trump. I know he is a vile and despicable person. He's an obvious con man and liar and he has called for horrible things to be done, but they think he's wonderful. I didn't think anything could shock me anymore. But I was wrong.
     
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    Yeah, we mess with the Constitution you can admit it now..
     
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    He makes me look good because of his low character though..and he's drug free so we know it comes naturally..
     
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    Parent, husband, wife
     
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    What is a good parent?
     
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    a good parent gives their children high positions in their business, and high positions in public office if they become public servants.

    not to mention a huge inheritance in the form of a trust fund to avoid tax liability.
     
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    That means one side is wrong. ;)

    Hitting your child, calling them names, fighting with your partner infront of your child or hitting your partner infront of your child are all examples of objectively bad parenting. A child growing up under such circumstances are at great risk of falling into some very dark places.

    Love, presence (emotional, physical and mental), compassion, encouragement, understanding and touch are very important for a child to get from his parents (yes, the last word is a plural).

    I am not quite sure what you are talking about here. Every parent and every child are - of course - unique and sovereign individuals with their very own soul. A child with bad parents is not a bad person, (s)he is a victim, but this does not mean that this child has no future and that they cannot do good in life. At the same time, even children with good parents are capable of evil. Of course. I never claimed it to be an absolute rule that "bad parent=bad kid=good parent=good kid".

    However, it is foolish to disregard it because it is a general rule and if you think a bad parent is just as a good of a parent as a good parent is, you are opening up the ports to hell and pushing the children through it. Parents and household environment is extremely important in determining a child's life outcome.
     
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    What is a good parent to one is a bad parent to another. I once had a very interesting thing happened in a group I have for parents of adolescents . The father was irate because his son got an ear pierced. He punished him and he thought he was doing the right thing. A woman said to him,l my son does drugs and I would be grateful if all he did was pierce an ear” she had her son in rehab....his friends did drugs so he followed which is a all too common
     
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    You say a lot of things that I would consider bad parenting. No you are not claiming anything absolutes but neither am I. I do not think a bad parent is as good as a good parent so stop being so silly I am telling you that peers in adolescence have more influence...and a lot has to do with wealth and poverty. All I am saying is your generalization is unfair. .a child who gets in serious trouble is not necessarily because of bad parents. Look at Donald Trump’s children coming from a home where their father is an adulterer with children from different wives. But if he didn’t have money who knows how they would have turned out? I guess you want to give credit to Donald Trump is being a good father
     
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    Such as?

    Stories referring to exceptions such as children growing up in poor and tough neighbourhoods turning out to be sport-superstars or about a boy who is physically abused becoming the POTUS are anecdotal at best and are not proof of anything but the heartless foolishness of the person bringing them up. 99% of those who grow up under bad conditions do not do too well in life.

    Yes, every child can "get into trouble", it is normal and a vial part of growing up. Little Billy from a happy home can indeed break the school window with a brick, but this was not what we were speaking of and my argument was never that a child from a happy home never does any bad. It is, however, preferable to have children being raised with love and encouragement than with beatings and name-calling.

    A poor parent can be a good parent. Class has nothing to do in determining "goodness". Only for the materialist would it be necessary to bring up "soci-economic factors". A loved child growing up without Dollies and Playstations will become a better person than the hated child who grows up with "everything".

    I do not know what Donald Trump has to do with anything what we are speaking of and will therefore ignore your silly obsessions to mention him in every second post and always use him as an example of true and ultimate evil. I am sick of reading his name.
     
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