The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?

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The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?

  1. President Donald J. Trump

    15 vote(s)
    25.4%
  2. President Barack Obama

    13 vote(s)
    22.0%
  3. President George W. Bush

    5 vote(s)
    8.5%
  4. President William Clinton

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. President George H. W. Bush

    1 vote(s)
    1.7%
  6. President Ronald Reagan

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. President Jimmy Carter

    25 vote(s)
    42.4%
  8. President Gerald Ford

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. President Richard Nixon

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. President Lyndon Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Presiden John F. Kennedy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. President Dwight D. Eisenhower

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My guess is President Obama because of the way that he behaved at the G-8 in 2011.

    On the other hand..... even President John F. Kennedy was somewhat naive to trust somebody like his Vice President Lyndon Johnston who apparently was involved in the planning of his assassination according to some impressive evidence that I have heard explained in youtube videos's over these past three years.

    If it is any consolation..... we Canadians are now being led by an astonishingly naive Prime Minister! (He is pretty good at talking to Canadians in a town hall type environment which I am sure is not an easy thing to do..... .but either our P. M. is terribly naive........ or..... there is something far, far, far, far worse going on because he obviously attempted to act superior to President Donald J. Trump when Trump wanted to come out tough on travel from China to the USA.... but now we all know that President Trump was being wise and practical and was correct and our P. M. looks like a ............ (I hate to say it)........)??????

    Was P. M. Stephen Harper our greatest Prime Minister? Was he also....

    "In my opinion..... P. M. Justin Trudeau...... although he does have some good characteristics.... (Prophet Jeremiah Johnson wrote that he has a "Warrior Spirit" and that could well be true )....... but..... . he is not technically "Liberal" by how the word was understood when I was young. He is actually closer to being communist, rather extreme socialist or even creeping fascist........... but he is not actually "liberal."

    A "liberal" as the word was understood back in the 1960's or '70's or '80's WOULD NOT obsequiously collaborate with the oppressive Palestinian Authority or the mostly totalitarian and corrupt regimes that surround the nation of Israel and attempt to destroy her as the astonishingly unwise President Obama attempted to do back in 2011.

    Thank God that the Creator of the universe / multiverse has raised President Donald J. Trump up to bring down the other metaphorical Goliath of political correctness."

    "Was P. M. Stephen Harper our greatest Prime Minister? Was he also...."
    ... our most "liberal?"


    "What he accomplished for the nation of Israel at the G-8 in 2011 probably saved the lives of thousands..... if not tens of thousands of Palestinians.... and perhaps hundreds of Israeli soldiers and civilians.

    His actions at that time were impressive and emotionally moving to "blue liberals" like myself."

    (Note... I used the word "Davidic" to describe the behaviour of P. M. Stephen Harper at the G-8 in 2011 while I was technically a member of Canada's "Liberal" Party but.... I left it in 2015 after I saw that P. M. Justin Trudeau had been given a majority)....
    but..... my apologies... because I actually voted Liberal in our 2015 federal election because the local Liberal candidate seemed like Prime Ministerial material!
     
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    This article, in my opinion, points to President Barack Obama as America's MOST NAIVE PRESIDENT since 1960!




    On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit

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    No doubt Jimmy Carter. During the 1990s when Carter prevented President Clinton from going to war with North Korea, Carter said he did not believe it was possible for anyone to look him in the eyes and lie to him.
     
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    If you are getting your history from youtube videos that would suggest staggering naivety on your part.
     
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    And don't forget that Roger Stone solved the crime and wrote a book that tells us that LBJ did it. Can't find a more reliable source than that right?
     
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    I think Trump is fairly Naive about how DC operates i also think he is not a widely knowledgeable person, thus he'll read something like nuking hurricanes and ingesting bleach then float the idea against his experts who proceed to tell him " no Mr President"
    I think he is shady but i don't think he has bad motivations.

    I think Obama was very intelligent but very agenda driven and his agenda was bad and that lead him into lots of bad situations and i believe he allowed a lot of corrupt people to be corrupt around him. I see no evidence of his deliberate corruption but he certainly did nothing to get rid of it in his administration. The international community totally steam rollered him. I think he was everything we accuse politicians of being. a quote from Red October.. " when i'm not having my picture taken with babies, I'm stealing their lolly pops"


    I think Bush Jr was pretty Naive and was badly used by many neo cons that were left overs from his dad's administration and they led him in some bad ways. I think he was generally a good principled man, no maybe not overly intelligent. but i Believe he was a good of a man as has held the office in a long time. Once 911 happened other people were pulling the strings.

    Clinton was very intelligent I think he loved America and loved doing good things for people. However i think he character was darkened by the need to hide sexual addiction.
    I think he had a few good ideas and was generally likable.... but he had one huge major problem. Hillary! you'll never find a woman more at home at Mos Eisley spaceport, you know..." you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"

    Bush Sr. I simply think he thought he could do good inspite of having corrupt people around him, partly however he was left over from the cold war and thought lots of the potentially bad things they did were actually good things. At the very worst he believed that the ends justified the means. I do not believe he did bad things knowing they were bad. I also think he loved America.

    Reagan. I think he was street smart, principled and believed in American exceptionalism. I don't remember much else. He certainly held the line against communism and that was a great thing.. the CIA ran amok a bit.




    These are just my gut reactions.I make no claim that they are accurate..Maybe a little bit of rose colored glasses on each of them. don't want to argue about any of it.. like i said these are just my gut reactions.
     
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    Why would Roger Stone be a credible source? At any rate the Warren Commission was composed of a cross section of Republicans and Democrats and the lower level investigators were incredibly interested in finding some kind of conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy and they couldn't find it.
     
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    Just a funny note. Kennedy originally meant ‘ugly head’ in Irish.
     
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    Jimmy Carter was shocked, shocked I tell you, that the Russians weren't ready for a kumbaya moment and to become BFFs. The Russians invaded Afghanistan based upon the utter naivete' of Carter. The Russians decided to make a nuclear missile base out of Cuba when they realized how completely naive JFK was based upon his meeting with them in Reykjavik. That was potentially world ending naivete' but at least JFK learned his lesson. I don't think Jimmy Carter ever learned his lesson.
     
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    I believe that even youtube videos can be far more objective than CNN!

    If you have not listened to the case that John McCain was executed it begins after the seven minute mark in this video:



    If you listen to this video after that seven minute mark the desperation to IMPEACH.... will look rather different....... . but much more logical and understandable!
     
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    fair point. but in general I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
     
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    To be fair, Kennedy was not really naïve. the problem was that Kennedy let Khruschev bully him so much at their summit meeting (doing everything but pee on Kennedys leg) that he believed that Kennedy would let him get away with deploying the IRBMs in Cuba.
     
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    But... if President Trump was not actually much more intelligent that he may be letting on to be...... he would not likely still be alive. He is up against some really seriously bad duded in both political parties. G. H. W. Bush apparently was a seriously bad dude.......



    In the video given in post number ten Dave Zublick claims after the twenty minute mark in that video that he can provide anybody with a large dossier on the crimes of G. H. W. Bush.
     
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    Good point... . President Jimmy Carter would have been my number two choice.

    One positive thing that I must say about President Obama is that.....THANK GOD HE DERAILED THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN IN 2008!
     
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    Also a good point
     
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    It was a tough choice between Obama and Carter. But Obama's complete capitulation on every negotiation with other countries demonstrated just what a noodle spine and sap he was.
     
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    Yes..... I think that President Carter had a better team of people around him who kept his errors to a minimum but..... there are basic and simple ideas in this video that President Obama seemed to be unaware of:



    Israel's Critical Security Needs for a Viable Peace


    For back up as Secretary of State President Carter had Cyrus Vance and Edmund Muskie......... whereas President Obama had Hillary!

    https://millercenter.org/president/carter/jimmy-carter-administration
     
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    Definitely 'Jimmuh Cawduh'....

    Carter probably thought he understood all the CRAP that had happened in the 1970's before he got there -- the Nixon "Watergate" scandal, the humiliating, chaotic end of the Vietnam War, the "Stagflation" that saw the prices of everything shoot upward while wages were squashed, the phony "oil shortage" which was nothing but a dirty, damned, out-and-out LIE foisted on the American public by the oil and gas industries, and the increasing threat of the Soviet Union everywhere!

    Carter was an intelligent man, but one whose only real appeal to voters in 1976 was that he and the Democrat Party were DIFFERENT from the Republican Party that had blighted the country during the first-half of the 1970's. Unfortunately, the Carter-era Democrats only made everything WORSE during the remaining years of one of the worse decades this country has ever experienced. And I lived through every single stinking, miserable moment of it....
     
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    Carter is a damn strong choice, but as I watched Obama get punked time and time again by every single other country in the world I think he has passed Carter in gullibility. He was played by everyone. I don't believe he ever won a single negotiation with anyone.
     
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    Exactly!!!

    He deserves credit for being an exceptionally good public speaker.......... but he just didn't seem to ever show any real backbone...... any real belief in the ideas that he did pretty good speeches on......... except in the last few months of his presidency when apparently he set up arguably the number one most unethical welcoming committee for the next President that has ever been done in America!!!!

    I stuck with Obama for most naive.... .partly because I hesitate to come up with a more accurate word assuming the accuracy of what it now seems that he did to General Flynn........ as well as to President Trump.......?!

    Yesterday I saw a video by Oprah that got me thinking.... and as the discussion developed the opportunity to replace Biden with Oprah seemed to naturally flow but...............
    ..... one terrible flaw in Oprah is her unwillingness to admit that President Obama was a truly terrible POTUS........?!

    I have to admit that I would prefer to see Oprah leading the Dems rather than Biden but........

    wow..... but she has a serious blind spot in her thinking when it comes to her public statements regarding Obama!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...te-people-have-to-die.572505/#post-1071689035

    It seems to me that Biden is a total puppet to the Deep State.... but Oprah..... .although terribly flawed........... seems to have a genuine desire to at least attempt to make the world a better place..........?!

    But...... if Oprah managed to get elected...... and if she brought Obama and Hillary and others back into a position of political power......... then she could become even more NAIVE.......... (or perhaps much worse)...... .even than President Obama and President Carter?!
     
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    I don't think President Obama was naïve. I think he always knew exactly what he was doing.
     
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    My biggest fear of an Oprah presidency would be exactly what was posted, she would bring the same complete morons that permeated the Obama whitehouse, not a functioning brain cell among the lot of them.
     
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    Which is the main reason as to why if I was an American..... I would vote for President Trump in 2020 even if Oprah could replace Biden!

    Oprah...... is way, far too naive and positive in her approach to the Presidency of Mr. Barack Obama as well as to the job done by Hillary as Secretary of State!

    She is guilty of just as much bias as I am....... (and I do plead guilty........ I know that I have certain biases...... .it is just a part of my human nature and my tendency toward ignorance........ of matters that are just far above my Security Clearance Level)?????

    Could Oprah replace Biden in this election?

     
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    A President of the USA should not be so trusting......





    BREAKING: Whistleblower Drops HARD Evidence, Biden, Obama, Hillary EXECUTED Seal Team 6, Audio Proof
     
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    Tie. George W. Bush because he started the Iraq War in 2003. LBJ because he escalated the Vietnam War.
    I don't believe LBJ was behind JFK's assassination.
    Mr. Trudeau is at least as slippery as he is naïve. Mr. O'Toole will have to build a large enough plurality and I don't think he should count on voters being upset with Trudeau. He needs to identify people he wants to add to his base. Who?
    Harper lost his majority.
    Oh, he's a liberal, but a sorry comparison to Lester Pearson, his father, John Turner, Jean Chrétien, and even Paul Martin.
    Israel needs to figure out what they're going to do with the Palestinians. Obama wasn't trying working to destroy Israel. No, I don't agree with what Obama and Harper did, or what Trudeau and Trump are doing, and I really don't agree with Netanyahu.
     

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