The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?

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The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?

  1. President Donald J. Trump

    15 vote(s)
    25.4%
  2. President Barack Obama

    13 vote(s)
    22.0%
  3. President George W. Bush

    5 vote(s)
    8.5%
  4. President William Clinton

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. President George H. W. Bush

    1 vote(s)
    1.7%
  6. President Ronald Reagan

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. President Jimmy Carter

    25 vote(s)
    42.4%
  8. President Gerald Ford

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. President Richard Nixon

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. President Lyndon Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Presiden John F. Kennedy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. President Dwight D. Eisenhower

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Your video suggests a Palestinian state should be a protectorate, but Netanyahu is destroying the possibility of a Palestinian state by turning the West Bank into a Swiss Cheese of Israeli settlements.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But what if somebody came along who the Palestinians thought of as a possible final Elijah and / or Jesus of Islam and / or Mahdi....... and what if that person was able to do a competent job of fulfilling the role set out in Ecclesiasticus chapter forty eight in the Roman Catholic Bible??????

    What if that role was separate from the role played by President Mahmoud Abbass, (pardon my spelling please)?????? Now you have some homework to do and please link the "restoration of lost tribes of Israel" with the Tsvi Misinai Engagement Movement.
     
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    Obama got pushed around by every leader of every country. He stood up to no one. Even Carter had balls 5 x the size of Obamas.
     
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    The Soviets put missiles in Cuba because JFK put them in Turkey. It was enforcing MAD, nothing to do with FDR himself.
     
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    I voted Carter way back when this poll was made.

    Im close to changing it to Trump. He just keeps hiring establishment shills who have 'great' credentials they obtained from a career of shilling for the establishment. To his credit, he then fires them fairly quickly ...but replaces them with more shills. His heart's in the right place, but he's not learning.

    He needs to hire folks from outside the establishment. Even if they have no credentials whatsoever and have to learn the job as they go, they'll likely be more effective than the obstructing professional career bureaucrats and leeches that have wholly taken over the system and are determined to resist any meaningful positive reform.

    If he doesn't, they'll just keep backstabbing and disobeying his entire administration and nothing will get done but what Trump can do personally on his own. Which is admittedly more than I would have thought, but not anywhere close to enough.
     
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    Actually the placement of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba had nothing at all to do with the American missiles in Turkey. Khruschev just insisted that the U.S. missiles to removed from Turkey because he needed a clear concession from the U.S. to sell to the hardliners in his government.
     
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    And he had no reason to put the nukes in Cuba until the US put nukes in Turkey and forced him to develop a rapid response plan. He did use the missiles in Turkey to sell it the same way that FDR used the Soviets not saying anything abut the withdraw from Turkey. But missiles in Turkey was the motivation behind missiles in Cuba. No missiles in Turkey meant missiles could leave Cuba without upsetting things politicly.

    As I said, it was all about enforcing MAD.
     
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    Incorrect. The Soviets put the nuclear missiles in Cuba because they found out the guidance systems on their early ICBMs were faulty and thus any nuclear missiles they launched at the U.S. from as far away as the U.S.S.R. would be lucky to hit the United States at all. Much less any smaller target like cities or military bases. Thus they had no way to hold U.S. targets at risk. They didn't have a viable submarine based nuclear missile force then. Nor did they have a viable nuclear bomber force.

    The only missiles that could be adequately targeted were the shorter ranged Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles (IRBMs) which is what they based in Cuba along with a few nuclear capable aircraft.

    The U.S. didn't need the nuclear missiles in Turkey at all because we had Atlas and Titan ICBMs that were quite capable of hitting the Soviet Union. Not to mention we had IRBMs in various NATO countries (which remained after the missiles were removed from Turkey anyway).
     
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    The US didn't know about those problems (same as the Soviets didn't know the launch code was 000000) so it did nothing to undermine Soviet deterrence. And if that was the driving motivation, the missiles would have ended up in Cuba sooner rather than as a response. And while the US didn't need to place missiles in Turkey to hit Soviet targets, they did need those missiles to launch an effective 2nd strike as a Soviet 1st strike would have the advantage of surprise, time and distance allowing key officials to escape likely American targets, get their missiles in the air before an American 2nd strike could take out silos and hit American missiles in their silos. Missiles right on the border wouldn't fix the 3rd problem but it'd have sped up an American 2nd strike by close to an hour allowing Soviet command and control and missiles silos to be neutralized while they were still strategically valid targets.
     
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    According to Military History Quarterly, the U.S. did know about those guidance system problems with Soviet ICBMs and the Kennedy administration made it clear to the Soviets that they knew about them. Kennedy was upset about how the Soviet leader had worked him over at the summit and wanted the information made available as a means to topping Khruschev.

    And neither side targeted missile silos back in the early 1960s. Missile accuracy was not good enough.
     
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    Most Naive?

    Obviously, Trump. G.W. Bush 2nd.
     
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    Israel is an apartheid, and the stealing of land isn't going to stop.

    Everything else is trivia.
     
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    Speaking of naive, or sloppy, Nixon sold Russia precision ball bearing machining. He did more to increase Russian firepower than any Russian ever did.
     
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    Hard to call Israel an apartheid state when they have Muslims serving in their military and serving in their parliament (Knesset).
     
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    Not really, look at South African history, which used to be an apartheid.
     
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    South Africa had blacks in their military but I don't recall them having any in parliament.
     
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    The bulk of the population of the Palestinian Territories will soon be "Noahides"... but many will also be full fledged Prostylites to Judaism. This is implied in Zechariah chapter fourteen..... (as I understand it anyway)?!

    Why else would Noahides and Jews live in neighbouring nations to Israel.... and yet travel to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles - Sukkot???????

    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/zech/14?lang=eng


    14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the aheathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

    15 aAnd so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these btents, as this plague.

    16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to aworship the bKing, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the cfeast of dtabernacles.

    17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

    18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the aheathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    20 ¶ In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, aHOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

    21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be aholiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and bseethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the cCanaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
     
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    That's nice, now about that shrinking reality on the ground...
     
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    Now how do I tag #ScarletWitch here????????
    I flunked out in my second year of the Information Technology course that I began back in 2005.... ASP.net and JavaScript blew my then forty seven year old brain out of the water!
    Scarlet Witch....... that isn't working????!
     
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    How about... I audition for the role of the final Elijah to President Nelson of the Latter day Saints......
    I sell him a script plus concept for one dollar... .and I donate the whole thing to the Largest Women's Relief Society on earth.... that if I remember correctly... Mrs. Ann Romney is a member of?!

    Actually.. .Mrs. Ann Romney is a member of a club of one.......
    Possible candidates to serve as White Horse First Lady in 2020! No kidding!

    IF the 2012 election was stolen significantly by George Soros voting machines then........
    this would be a possible defence for President Obama......... blame it all on Soros....... he is pretty old anyway......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-usa-constitution-and-dollar.570833/page-2
     
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    What does that mean?
     
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    I take it your divorce from reality was not recent.
     
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    The area that Palestinians have has been shrinking for half a century.
     
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    My guess is that (original)late would like to see ideas transformed into a massive improvement in the economic well being of Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza.

    I actually have been giving that idea considerable thought after reading "God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land" that was given to author Robert Mendelson in a near death experience back in 1992.

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

     
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    True.... this goes back to a philosophical crisis I had back in 1990 that got me angry with Messiah Yeshua -Jesus over some of his statements recorded by his twelve witnesses........



    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-christian-gospel-be-much-worse-news.530504/




     
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