The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?

Perhaps.... but it is also possible that the Palestinian Territories relative to the population has been growing............ I did read a decade or so ago that the Palestinian Authority had pretty much ethnically cleansed Christians from much of the land that they administer..........

 

I actually worked out map once how to solve the Palestinian statehood problem.

It started out with giving the Palestinians land for not one but TWO countries. Once centered on Gaza and extending partially down the Sinai peninsula to create a buffer state between Israel and Egypt.

The other on the West Bank staring around the town of Jenin and running down the main highway (69 I think) to East Jerusalem and then on south. Part of the new Palestinian territory would cross into Jordan and extend down to the sea providing this Palestinian country access to the ocean as well.

This would serve to make Israel safer as it would "thicken up" Israeli territory and provide a buffer state between Israel and Jordan. East Jerusalem would become an international city protected and patrolled by Muslim forces from outside the Middle East (Americans, Indonesians, et cetera).

The capital of the Palestine nation centered on the West Bank would be Jericho.

By my calculations such a plan would dramatically increase Israel's short and long term security while granting the Palestinians considerably more territory than they've ever had or would've gotten in any conceivable peace plan.

 

That used to be the case.

But time wounds all bad ideas... That's ethnic cleansing done slowly.

 

The Palestinians would accept just about anything at this point.

Israel won't let them become a country, but there could still be a protectorate with limited sovereignty. This is all purely academic because it's painfully clear the only thing Palestinians will get is more of the same.

 

I suggested allowing Israel and the Palestinian nations into NATO with U.S. and European troops guarding the borders of both. I know it probably sounds radical but NATO has done a pretty good job of keeping its member states from going to war with each other over the years. Iceland and United Kingdom during the Cod Wars, Greece and Turkey...well always.

 

That's a clever proposal, but I think all the principals, except Palestine, would hate it.

 

If everybody is unhappy I think an idea has merit. Doesn't make sense but its what I believe.

 

The idea has merit, but NATO has a full plate already, and Israel is gonna hate the idea.

 

Perhaps if we had an administration bold enough to seriously threaten to cut off military and economic aid to them that they might "come around".

 

That's a good idea.

Israel is a developed country with the most powerful military in the region, by far.

We don't give military and economic aid to other developed countries, that policy is stuck in the 1970s.

 

Highly informative.... thank you for this.................!


President Truman and the creation of Israel.





https://www.britam.org/messiah.html


Orthodox Jewish scholar Yair Davidiy :

 

I've heard that the combination of economic and military aid the U.S. gives Israel allows Israel to hide the costs of its militarized society from its people.

 

That would be her biggest issue....... no matter how sincere she herself was.. .the Dems are .......
actually you need to see this.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=800460710714094

 

I am thinking that "most naive" was not actually President Obama's primary issue....


https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1318667197129121795

https://twitter.com/i/status/1318699372985679880

 

Ok... since a powerful case can be presented that Administrator Biden is the face of President Obama's third term.... I would like to apologize to everybody on the forum for being terribly naive and ignorant as I came up with this discussion and poll?! My bad... .sorry!!!!

 

Rest assured, "Messiah" Obama was anything but "naive"! He did everything with the single-minded objective of causing a social and economic reordering of the United States, and he played his role well! Little more than a 'hand-puppet' for the machinations of the Federal Reserve System, he was nonetheless a politically-acceptable hand-puppet, because by being "Black" (or, at least, half-Black), this America-hating college teacher from the bowels of South Chicago was more effective than anyone else in the field.

Call Barack Obama many things -- but never call him "naive"....

 

It think it’s a toss up between Trump, and Obama.

 

Yes....... I have to admit that I tend to rather like the fact that President Obama in a sense was used to deliver America and the world from the extreme evil of President Hillary in 2008.......
but....... it can be argued that the diabolical schemes that he set in motion from November of 2016 until President Trump took office in January of 2017 is in many ways potentially even worse than what I was expecting from President Hillary.

 

I personally do think that President Trump will soon be proven to have behaved in a brilliant manner but..... he was surrounded by people who did not have the best interests of either President Trump or even Americans in mind..... (for example Dr. Tony Fauci)!


https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...ia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic

Do you know what can make bacterial pneumonia worse?

Wearing masks that are not washed often enough!

This helps to explain why Dr. Tony Fauci at first..... stated that wearing masks was not a good idea...... but then he flip flopped on wearing masks............ we could wonder why he changed his mind on a topic that there is no way he can claim that he was ignorant of the potential harm that masks can do????

 

I am now beginning to think that President Obama had been chosen to play a role for Americans.... that was actually intended by his ideological advisors and "handlers" to result in the destruction of both America and Israel?!


Russia and its influence on Mideast terrorism...

 

I joined the majority by voting for Carter as the most naive. The youthful Kennedy was naive early on, but he quickly became a fast learner. Carter was more than naive, he was passively incompetent on multiple levels. His only decisive action, Desert One, was a total debacle at every level. Much like Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan.

 

Kennedy was my first Democrat I voted for as president.
What happened to we in the Army then in Germany was we were all armed. Normally I was not armed. But when he got killed, we were issued .45 cal. pistols and for 3 days I wore one. Turned it in after 3 days. My thinking at the time was it was the Soviets that did it.
Kennedy was simply murdered by a person who had the opportunity. Call him what you want, he was the killer.

The commission Dayton3 spoke of surely would have picked others had they done it. They had all the experts.

 

Definitely Trump.
He operated under the “naive citizen” idea sold to us in high school that we fight but come together after the election and work toward the common good. That is horse puckey.
He had no idea Hillary, the DNC, the FBI, and a media willing to go full on corrupt to sell their grand, coordinated lie to half of America.
As we know, and they know, by the time the truth comes out it is too late and the innocent victim is hanged.
I wonder what the “New Trump” will be like if he runs? Will any haters admit in public they were duped? Hell no.

BTW, Prez. Carter only had to deal with Americas’ external enemies.

 

I'll go with Carter. How naive do you need to be think that price controls could solve inflation or how it was in the country's benefit to give away the Panama canal? He was a gentleman to be sure but not a president.