THE most significant flaw in the militia-only interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is...

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  1. Xenamnes

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    Except for the simple, basic fact, that it cannot do such.
     
  2. tom444

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    And we can get rid of the draft dodging doter in chief anytime if he continues making as little sense as he does now.

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    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
     
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    We'll see.
     
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    You have the right to own a musket, that's about it.
     
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    When it does, let me know.
    Until then your opinion on and interpretation of the 2nd means nothing.
     
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    Your opinion on and interpretation of the 2nd means nothing.
     
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    Explain exactly what relevance the twenty fifth amendment has to do with anything going on in the current discussion. Why is it continually cited as if removing the president of the united stated has anything to do with the Heller ruling, or any other matter currently being addressed?
     
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    Neither does yours.
     
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    What does an amendment written about the right to carry a musket have to do with today? Nothing.
     
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    Were there any limitations written into the Second Amendment with regards to availability technology? The Framers were much more conversant with multi-shot firearms than they were with electronic communication and data storage. Does the First Amendment not apply to cell phones and the 4th Amendment not apply to hard drives?
     
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    It's all up for debate.


    That ain't an AK47 he's holding.

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    Your opinion on and interpretation of the 2nd means nothing.
     
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    Your opinion on and interpretation of the 2nd means nothing.
     
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    "The Court has held that “the Second Amendment ex-tends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,”
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf

    His opinion on and interpretation of the 2nd means nothing.
     
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    The argument that the 2nd Amendment is solely about single-shot muskets is obviously spurious. Those who continue to voice it in outright defiance of logic or intellectual integrity annihilate their very credibility with every word they post, as repeating arms (and even a rudimentary machine gun) existed at that time.

    The leftist gun banners will not be happy until they've initiated a civil war in this country, and that's exactly what they're going to get if they continue on the path they're on.
     
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    Funny -- that's almost the exact wording of the court.
    But then, trolls will be trolls.
     
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    I see no profit to Churlish insults and name calling, even in response to such, for which I myself, am oftentimes guilty.
    I will try harder to ignore flame baiting and the Troll's goading.
     
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    ^^^^
    The only flame baiting, and personal insults, I see.
     
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    Really ?

    You did plenty of it too.
    I also did plenty.
     
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    "Madison's political views changed throughout his life. During deliberations on the Constitution, he favored a strong national government, but later preferred stronger state governments, before settling between the two extremes later in his life."

    It's all always up for debate. Times change, opinions change. Understandings change. What was good in one era, might not be good in another. Nothing is permanent. Not even this solar system.
     
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    I the point is I saw non today until you posted this: "I see no profit to Churlish insults and name calling, even in response to such, for which I myself, am oftentimes guilty. I will try harder to ignore flame baiting and the Troll's goading."

    Relax, and just debate.
     
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    When the court reverses itself on the 2nd, let us know.
    Until then, your opinions on and interpretations of the 2nd are meaningless.
     
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    The idea that one has the birthright of self defense using a similar weapon to combat the weapon he is faced with is always relevant, no matter the era.
     
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    The united state supreme court has stated, outright, that they reject the notion of the second amendment being limited to muskets. In fact this notion was rejected twice, first in Heller and again in Caetano when they stated it applied to weaponry that could not have been imagined by the first congress of the united states. Your refusal to acknowledge that such is fact means nothing, and does nothing to change the reality of the situation.
     

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