The "my body my choice" argument

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  1. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    So, I just happened across a photo in a news story, the image depicting anti-vaccine protestors with signs saying "my body my choice." I thought it was an ironic turn of phrase because it's also a slogan of pro-choice advocates. And, possibly the pro-life protestors ignore that argument when it comes to abortion, but use it when it's convenient for them. What do you think?

    View image, at top of story, here:

    Conservative Majority on Supreme Court Appears Skeptical of Biden's Vaccine Plan - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    OSHA does not have legislative power. End of discussion. The court will likely with a large majority kill Xiden mandates.
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, yes... but I was referring to the photo in that news story. Can it be said that whatever legal precedent allows for the end of vaccine mandates can also apply to any right to access abortion? If not, should it? It seems to be the same argument: it's my body, my choice.
     
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    If OSHA ever comes out with a mandatory abortion mandate, you'd have a case.
     
  5. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Now you're just being silly. :)
     
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    It isn't ironic the vaccine actually goes into their body and their body alone so it should be their choice. A pregnant woman has another body inside of her. The baby or the fetus or whatever you have to call it to feel better about killing it is not her body human beings don't have two hearts human females don't have penises.
     
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    Unless you just "self identify" as a woman and shatter NCAA swimming records after a year on hormone blockers....
     
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    Delete
     
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    Don't you understand that these are a bunch of Alex Jones fans who are trying to be funny by appropriating "the left's language" to "oWn ThE lEfT"?

    Also, why are we discussing vaccination in the abortion sub?
     
  10. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    If it isn't clear, I linked to the article because I'm talking about the image in the article. I didn't post the photo here because it might be copyright protected.
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, never mind, the photo is gone. It was never about COVID, but it's about the term "my body my choice."
     
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    Any court member that votes against Biden on this should resign in shame if they use your argument. OSHA has every legal right to set safety standards in workplaces. Do you think that somewhere there's a law passed by congress that says air sprayers in work places must have side openings to prevent possible compressed air explosions? Nope, regulation by OSHA...period. OSHA does not make laws, they make regulations.
     
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    What are your problems/disagreements with that phrase?
     
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    I think pregnant women can't get vaccinated without written consent of their fetus because they will also get vaxxed at the same time.
     
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    That it would apply in one case or another but not both.
     
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    Ideally it shoukd apply in all cases.
     
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    they are pro-choice anti-vaxers that support a women's right to choose

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    they believe they should be able to choose for themselves, but women should not
     
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    So, if I put my hand up your rare end you have no right to remove it? It is my hand, not yours! :D

    It is literally her body. This is a fact of reality you cannot just get around no matter how hard you try.

    How about you define the terms rights and life for me. I have asked so many anti-abortionists to do this and have only been met with evasion.
     
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    do you think that's the same thing as being pregnant?

    the fetus isn't her body it has different DNA and eventually will be born into another person that's not her body there's no way to get around that no matter how hard you try
    no if you can't comprehend what you're talking about there's no reason to talk to you anymore other than to make fun of you.
     
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    I hear all the time when it comes to abortion the argument of it’s their body, their body belongs to them, they can do with their body what they want. Okay, I’ll buy that if it isn’t hypocrites’ response. Their body for abortion must apply to prostitution and to vaccines. All or none.
     
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    If pregnancy is what you present it to be, yes.

    The bacteria in your belly all have different DNA, your sperm do too and so does your skin cells and hsir etc etc. Do you really think having unique DNA is what gives one rights?

    And you will eventually die and the baby will eventually be an adult. Should rights be based on the potential future or the actual present?

    There is no way to get around this. The only way to have an honest and productive discussion about abortion is for the parties to define life and rights. Based on what you have told me so far I have to conclude you think anything alive=life worthy of rights because DNA=rights and that rights shoupd be based on potentiality. Is that your position?
     
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    So, in order for this to play out, the mother couldn't get the vaccine without the permission of the fetus ... cause it's a separate being and all.
     
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    In fact, she cannot do anything for that to play out. Even eating is force-feeding. And what happens if she does not yet know she is pregnant, goes to work and bumps her belly? Guess that is battery or, in the worst case, manslaughter.

    It is just beyond stupid.
     
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    Abortion isn't just about your body. Sorry. Try again.
     
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    You are allowed to make decisions for your child. Children aren't capable of making choices. You are not allowed to neglect or murder your children. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand.
     

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