The Nazi's. BBC Bitesize. Education every 9 year old should know, but usually doesnt.

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  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    I'll let everyone's favourite Romanian Gypsy read you through it.

    On this forum I have found the standard of education to be astonishingly poor.
    Antifa. No idea what Fascism is.

    People claiming the NAZI's were uber capitalists. Libertarians.
    Not just any people but even people purporting to be history professors in universities.

    Everyone calls Trump a Fascist. No one knows what a Fascists is.
    Everyone calls everyone and his dog a Nazi. No one knows what a Nazi is.

    Ignorance gets my goat.

    So here it is.
    The national curriculum. Learn this by the age of ten, or stay on in class with the nine years olds until you do.
    Presented to you here on the BBC schools and colleges website.

    Take it away please Vee.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member

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    It's a little bit difficult to say what fascism in Germany was since the economies of the U.S. and U.K. had many of those same controls in place because it was war time, and because these countries had all just recovered from the Great Depression, so there was a lot of government command-control of the economies.

    So was it really fascism, or just attempted pragmatism because Germany was in such a squeeze, both in terms of economically and war being waged close to its borders and being surrounded on two fronts? I mean, had the U.S. government found their country in that same position, they might have implemented some very similar controls.
     
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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    It's fascism.

    Pretty much whatever that was, defines fascism to a large extent.
    I'm sure pragmatism was a factor. It always is.


    Certainly UK war economy mirrored socialism in effect in a lot of ways.
     
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    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    Consider the role of the Party as a guide on government in Germany.
     
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    So things in Germany were not perfect, but much of that tends to be inherent in any form of socialism or partially centrally-planned economy.
    Many of the people still felt things had improved for them compared to how things were before. And a lot of the people at that time were afraid of communism (not entirely without good reason, as would become evident a decade or two later) so were willing to put up with all the bad things, seeing it as "the lesser of two evils".

    As for Germany not being able to be self-sufficient, that's not entirely reflective of a failure on the part of the government. It was a developed country, already with an industrial base. Much higher population density than in the East. Typically those types of countries are reliant on bringing in resources from outside. That video also neglects to mention the German technological advance of developing synthetic rubber derived from oil, which was a significant thing. Germany is also a colder country, so not surprising a developed and (despite the Depression) more affluent country would be importing in vegetables from other warmer countries. All in all, I think that video drew a few unjustified conclusions.
     
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    And the end of the video, he talks about people wanting to leave the Romanian ethno-state for more multicultural countries elsewhere.
    The issue with this, these other countries are multicultural in the first place because they were/are more affluent (populations from other countries want to go there). The speaker in the video is making the logical fallacy of confusing causation with correlation.

    Arguably the second fallacy he makes is assuming the Romanian ethno-state is actually representative of the "all-white" state Nazi Germany held up as an ideal (when, as he well knows, the Nazis made a differentiation between ethnicities in Europe and did not simply see them as all "white"). (It's true Germany allied with Romania, but that was more out of convenience)
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    People are being so racist.

    Some Nazi's are fine people.
     
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    Trump said so, yes.
     
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    Jungkook (BTS)'s Halloween costume

    South Korean band BTS has been criticised for “mocking the past” by the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Probably Koreans need a proper education on modern European history. Some members of BTS are clearly sympathetic towards the Nazis and the Korean band recently appeared on stage at a concert with a symbol “eerily similar” to the Nazi swastika.

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