The Necessity of Abortion

According to you, a fetus.

That's the same as saying that if a person cannot force another person to assist them with exercising their free speech, then there is no right to free speech. We only have the right to something as long as it doesn't require something of another person! Therefore just because no one is allowed to use another's body to sustain their own life, this does NOT mean that there can be no right to life! It is possible to believe that no one is allowed to use another's body to sustain their own life AND at the same time, believe that there is a right to life.

I have. I'm just asking you why you would say that murder is wrong and therefore should be illegal? What would your reasoning be? Are you not able to answer this?

Forget about the judge, I'm asking you for YOUR opinion. Is it acceptable TO YOU that the man is responsible for the kid IF BEFORE the birth he made it clear to the woman that he is not prepared for fatherhood and wanted her to have an abortion? The woman is obviously free to continue with the pregnancy, but why should that impact the man?

So because we believe that they have the ONE right to not be killed, that means that we think that they should have MORE rights than anyone else? Surely you can't be serious. That would mean that we think that everyone else should have no rights! Not even the right to vote!

EXACTLY! A fetus is different to a legal person! So why are you trying to make them equal to each other them when talking about no one being allowed to use another's body to sustain their own life?

I am pro-life in a different way, not in the way that is normally applied to the abortion debate.

How is giving women the right to an abortion giving them the "same rights as others?" Do you think that we're saying that men should have the right to an abortion but women shouldn't? I don't understand how you can make abortion about EQUAL rights when it is unique to women!

Oh okay, so you're saying that they are treating pregnancy AS IF it was a crime and treating pregnant women as criminals. I thought that you were saying that they think that pregnancy is actually illegal and that pregnant women should be arrested!

 

What does that post have to do with improving the genetic quality of a human population?

 

Where???

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
EVERY pregnancy harms every woman physically, both temporarily and permanently, and there is always the risk of DEATH.

The harm caused is substantial enough to warrant self defense measures IF the fetus were to be deemed a "person".

Yup, the truth is easy to repeat... one can deny it but it doesn't make one smarter.. …...if it was so "ridiculous" you could prove it wasn't true...Go ahead!

 

Correct.

 

The procedure and outcome of an abortion due to rape are EXACTLY the same as for an abortion due to consensual sex.

So the fetus due to rape isn't "precious life" ?


Why are you OK with killing a "child"(as you say) in one instance (rape) but not the other (consensual sex) ???



HOW is the fetus different?

 

How is the fetus due to rape different from a fetus due to consensual sex?


(Hint: NO difference whatsoever)

 

Nothing to due with free speech and believe what you want about "right to life" , a fetus doesn't have it....

I have answered you and many others....if you chose to ignore it that's not on me.

Murder is wrong because it's perpetrated on a born legal person.

Because he produced a child. There are support laws because sometimes when "fathers" refuse to pay for their kids, the taxpayers have to.

That's not how it works and you aren't "we". You don't bestow rights one at a time on your , or "we's" schedule.

If a fetus is deemed a person with rights AND allowed to use another's body to sustain it's life that means it has MORE rights than anyone else since born people don't have that right.

If a fetus is deemed a person with rights AND allowed to use another's body to sustain it's life that means it has MORE rights than anyone else since born people don't have that right.


Please DO look up the word IF......

Sorry, YOU don't define "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Choce" in the abortion debate....No, you can't be Pro-Choice and Pro-Life as defined in the abortion debate...

GoodGAWD! You have to be doing this deliberately and it is getting boring as hell..


Women already HAVE the same rights as others, the right to their own bodies, the right to their own bodies, the right to their own bodies....Anti-Choicers are trying to take away, take away that right that women already have....

Yes, they think women who have consensual sex should be punished by being forced to gestate.

 

Why would I make that claim?

 

Except it some of those 50% are also ones who get pregnant and again, out of billions of acts of intercourse per year, we would expect that a tiny percentage of those would result in women getting pregnant.

 

Of course she is. The force is coming from nature rather than another person but it still is occurring against her will.

 

Alright, now all you have to do is prove this supposed “god” exists and that is designed things before the debate can move forward.

By the way, real rich for you to claim to be the rational side when you just deflected to the magical sky daddy.

 

Yes it would be. Should it be illegal, no.

 

That's a meaningless comment.

That's like saying you are bring forced to digest the sandwich you just ordered, bought, and ate.

 

No it would be like saying you are forced to choke to death on it. You only intended to eat it. Choking to death on it was always a tiny possibility but you did not consent to choking to death, just to eating.

 

I don't have prove squat to you. You've shown yourself to be uninterested in a reasonable debate.

 

You don’t get to claim to be “reasonable” when you jump to “Well God...”.

 

Really. How inclusive and diverse your friends must be.

Most of America's founders and the authors of the Constitution were often heard saying “Well God...”. You should strive to be 1/10th as wise, smart, courageous, committed, and "reasonable" as they were.

 

10% of the countries population of child-bearing age women is not a tiny percentage.

Again, the bottom line is that 70% of women either use no birth control, or practice the withdrawal method.

That's why we have so many abortions: irresponsible people using abortion as a contraceptive.

 

It's another leftist mantra adopted by your feminist colleagues.

 

“Wise, smart, courageous, committed, and ‘reasonable’” men who didn’t know that woman should have equal rights and that black people shouldn’t be beaten, raped, and owned as property.

 

It is when you consider the billions of act of intercourse those 10% are involved in.

 

No, it's not.

I see you're having math problems again.

What would the rate be if the 70% of completely irresponsible people were using birth control with a 97-99% effectiveness?

 

Considering there are 18 billion+ acts of intercourse in the US per year, 1% failure rate would still result in 18 million pregnancies per year. Considering the number is less than half that, the chances of getting pregnant (with or without birth control) are tiny.

 

Really? I’ve never kept a black person as a slave, murdered Native Americans for their land, or treated women as second class citizens.