The Necessity of Abortion

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  1. MAGA

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    I sidestepped nothing.

    You have nothing so you purposely mischaracterize my statement.

    When you have something let me know.
     
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    If a penny of tax money goes to it, I'm afraid it's not. We all get to say as much as we want.

    Want privacy? Pay for it yourself.
     
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    Because a fetus due to rape has come about from crime, whereas a fetus due to consensual sex is done, in most cases, as part of a committed relationship, which is how it is meant to be and how I believe that God created it to be.
     
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    Being forced by WHO exactly?
     
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    Yes, you did , you NEVER answered this question and you have said you answer all questions...

    """So you believe that if a woman is raped she should be forced to bear the rapist's child.....and you don't think that's cruel and unfair to punish the woman for being raped ? ( like extremist Muslims do?)"""




    Mischaracterized what statement?


    If there's been a mischaracterization then why not explain what was mischaracterized ???





    :roflol:
     
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    :) That does not change a fetus...there is no such thing as a criminal fetus and an innocent fetus...

    Are you saying that a fetus due to rape is somehow "lesser than" a fetus due to consensual sex ?? It's not "precious life" ?

    The procedure and out come for any abortion is EXACTLY the SAME whether the fetus was due to rape or consensual sex.

    WHY is abortion due to rape OK for you but NOT abortion due to consensual sex??

    C'mon, be the first Anti-Choicer to explain that one :)
    ,

    Irrelevant..."committed relationship"" and your "god' have nothing to do with women's right to their own body.....they are not a "point".
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Pregnancy is not anyone else's responsibility either, nor is it their business...




    Why would taxes go towards health care....




    Of course you do but you don't get to own women because they're pregnant, they still have a right to their own bodies so say all you want just don't impose on their rights.



    No, Americans do NOT have to pay for their rights....not even women...
     
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    Find a statement I made and I'll speak to it.

    I didn't make the statement you asked me to defend, so you are arguing with yourself.
     
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    For the third or fourth time:

    Yes, you did , you NEVER answered this question and you have said you answer all questions...

    """So you believe that if a woman is raped she should be forced to bear the rapist's child ?

    A simple yes or no would answer this question.


    .....and you don't think that's cruel and unfair to punish the woman for being raped ? ( like extremist Muslims do?)"""


    A simple yes or no would answer this question.
     
  10. MAGA

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    I'll answer then again..

    No
    Yes

    Here are questions for you:

    1. Do you believe in Human Rights?

    2. Do you understand its a fact clinically proven to a 100% certainty that unborn children are humans?
     
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    Why not? I thought you were against abortion.






    Yup, for born persons.




    I have never said unborn humans are anything but unborn humans.

    I never said a human fetus wasn't human.




    See how easy it was for me to just answer the questions without you asking several times...?:)
     
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    By what.

    Nature.
     
  13. MAGA

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    You're not paying attention. I've answered these questions on this thread several times. On this thread. I think I answered then to you. to you.

    Try not stretching a post with few meaningful works into a 3' post if you please.
     
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    No, you did not answer these questions until the third time.


    You NEVER answered this question and you have said you answer all questions...

    """So you believe that if a woman is raped she should be forced to bear the rapist's child ?

    A simple yes or no would answer this question.


    .....and you don't think that's cruel and unfair to punish the woman for being raped ? ( like extremist Muslims do?)"""



    AND just now you did not answer the question you quoted:
    FoxHastings said:


    Why not? I thought you were against abortion. BUT you don't think a woman should be forced to have a rapist's kid...??? Uh, then she can choose an abortion....

     
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    No, I ask follow up questions to your statements that you have a hard time answering:)


    You said "no" when I asked if a raped woman should be forced to have her rapist's kid.

    BUT you have said you are against abortion...is that not correct?


    IF you are against abortion then why make an exception for the pregnancy due to rape?


    Here's another simple straightforward question:

    Why are you against abortion?



    And, do you realize how silly this statement is?

    """I'm not got to they to decipher your post into English."""

    Who's complaining about English?? ;)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, I ask follow up questions to your statements that you have a hard time answering:)


    You said "no" when I asked if a raped woman should be forced to have her rapist's kid.

    BUT you have said you are against abortion...is that not correct?


    IF you are against abortion then why make an exception for the pregnancy due to rape?


    Here's another simple straightforward question:

    Why are you against abortion?



    And, do you realize how silly this statement is?

    """I'm not got to they to decipher your post into English.""":roflol::roflol:

    Who's complaining about English?? ;)





    I never mentioned involuntary servitude..



    The part that confused me about you being "Pro-Life"?

    Here it is:
    IF you are against abortion then why make an exception for the pregnancy due to rape?
     
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    What is wrong with being forced by nature?
     
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    It makes me slightly uncomfortable, but yes I am.

    Obviously. Why are you stating the obvious?

    Because pregnancy by rape has come about from crime, whereas pregnancy due to consensual sex is done, in most cases, as part of a committed relationship, which is how it is meant to be. By the way, what is your obsession with random blue bold text?

    That's why its called an OPINION!
     
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    Okay, but do WE have it?

    Yeah, that's why it is illegal, but why would you say that it is wrong?

    What if a woman who doesn't want to give birth, does so because she is in a country where abortion is illegal.
    She doesn't want to be a mother but the father is happy to take care of the kid. Should she have to pay child support?

    What do you mean I'm not "WE?" You mean I'm not the anti-abortion crowd?

    I represent all anti-abortionists when I say that unborn lives have the right to not be killed.

    Where did I or we say that we DO "bestow rights?"

    Here are some rights that born people in the US have:

    The right to free speech
    The right to bare arms
    The right to exercise religion
    The right to remain silent
    The right to equal treatment under the law

    So there are FIVE rights! So even if a fetus is "deemed a person with rights and allowed to use another persons body to sustain it's life", how would this mean that it has "MORE rights than anyone else?" Doesn't everyone else STILL have the 5 rights above? Or do they vanish for somehow?

    Exactly, hence why I said, "not in the way that is normally applied to the abortion debate."

    How is it all THEIR body if there is another body growing inside of them?

    EXACTLY! A fetus is different to a legal person! So why are you trying to make them equal to each other when talking about no one being allowed to use another's body to sustain their own life? You very conveniently didn't respond to this last time!
     
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    So you think that some how , in some mysterious way, a fetus caused by rape is in some way "not quite as "good" ? As "pure" ? As "precious" as another fetus?


    Somehow the fetus is "marked"?, not quite as HUMAN as other fetus's because it's mother was raped?

    So it's OK to kill that "precious life" because it's father was a slimeball and a fetus should pay for what it's father did ??

    That is a hilarious...do you honestly think that?



    I state the obvious, that abortion in the case of rape is exactly the same as abortion caused by consensual sex to prove that Anti-Choicers (who make exceptions for rape) only want to punish women for having consensual sex or they would NOT make exceptions...
     
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    My personal opinion is that if abortion is illegal then women shouldn't have to pay one damn cent to support the kids they were forced to have.
    Legally though , one must support the children one produces.




    Sorry, but until you can produce a legal document proclaiming you the spokesperson for Anti-Choicers you are only speaking for yourself...
    I'm always "me", I don't need the backup of "we"




    If a fetus is deemed a person with rights AND allowed to use another's body to sustain it's life that means it has MORE rights than anyone else since born people don't have that right.






    How is it NOT their body ?



    And if it isn't their body whose is it??? The Big Government's? Yours?

    How did it become someone else's body?

    Uh, I maybe didn't respond because I never said anything like """""make them equal to each other when talking about no one being allowed to use another's body to sustain their own life"""""
     
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    Abstenence is 100% effective for everyone except the Virgin Mary.
     
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    Great, and Very Obvious observation. :roll:

    What it has to do with women having the right to their own body is a mystery.
     
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    You realize that’s literally the entire reason we have medicine, right?
     
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    Ah so Humanity is supposed to magically reject all human nature and thousands from years of history, hormones, and genetics?

    But I’m the one who isn’t given reasonable arguments?
     
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