The new lie, "I never said Mexico would write a check."

Heard Trump say that the adjusted NAFTA trade deal would generate enough revenue to pay for his wall in 4 months.

If so why would he shut down the American Government. Furloughing 800 K gov't workers and hundreds of thousands of gov't contractors ?

 

Not at all. On the campaign he said the wall would be paid by the trade deal (most times he just said Mexico will pay) but the trade deal won't pay for 1 foot of the wall.

 

Let me know when that happens. He's all talk.

 

Poll
Did you take Trump literally when he said Mexico would pay for the border wall?

Democrats 100% Yes because it helps my political position
Republicans 100% No because who would believe that
Independents 100% I don't know because as an independent I try not to have an opinion about anything except that not having an opinion is important for my centrist ideology

 

I make no such acknowledgement. It wasn't Trump decided the Mexican would pay for it by writing a check. In fact I stated a month ago exactly how Mexico and points south were going to pay for it. Were you not paying attention?

 

Oh gee Lee, where were you during the 1940 reelection campaign of Democratic icon (to this day) FDR.

"I promise you that your sons will not die on foreign soil".

 

Rage TDS is the very worst kind.

 

Source?

 

You seriously asking me? I thought you knew history. I'll look up a link for you though.

Fifth paragraph down

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/fdr-churchill

 

I know this is beyond comprehension, but "Mexico will pay for it" is not the same as "Mexico will write a check". There are a multitude of ways to recover expenses in any situation where trade exists. When you buy a car for example, did you write a check for the social security contributed on behalf of the people who built it? No- AND YES. The cost of that expense was built into the price of the car. It's not Trump that is holding things up- it's the ones distributing hate like fertilizer, everywhere.

The cons are the people who either don't understand business and finances that are over their capacity and insist they do, or simply try to sell snake-oil interpretations that serve their petty biases. When you pretend to be expert in something you know nothing about, you always lose.

 

Alt-left sources that muddy the waters between legal immigrants and illegal aliens claim they don't cost. Fact is illegal aliens make bare bones when it comes to wages. They pay little to no taxes. They take a large toll on costs, however.

 

We'll make this very easy for you. Mexico is much more reliant on the United States than vice versa. Extracting money from them through trade and aid to pay for the wall would not be difficult. That's like saying red states aren't going to make the lazy citizens pay for themselves. Umm, yes, look at the low poverty and welfare use in red states and the lack of debt. These people do pay for themselves. Those that mooch really aren't in a position to make financial demands now, are they?

 

FDR never said that.

 

Trump knows all about selling snake-oil...like when he told his base with glee that Mexico will pay for the wall, which now he is asking taxpayers to foot the bill. Who do you think you are fooling??

 

What is it with your obsession about something Trump said in early 2016 before he was ever the nominee? Mexico is dependent on us for aid and trade. There are a lot of ways to extract money from them. You know, I know it, and everyone knows it. You've lost this battle because the border patrol agents on the ground have said a wall is necessary. And $5.7 billion is nothing to the total budget. A drop in the bucket. When the experts on the ground on on the front lines say this necessary it's time to listen. Your ilk are waging a losing battle.

 

You really don't think Mexico's financial dependence on America cannot be altered specifically to help out with the wall? I know you guys had lost it when you tried to ignore the concerns of border agents on the ground. But this left wing desperation is getting beyond ridiculous now.l

 

I've lost nothing buddy. Congress isn't about to approve money for that wall. Trump can try that "emergency crisis" and let see how far that go when it ends up in court.

Funny you do not realize that trade is a TWO WAY street. We are dependent on trade with them as well. Perhaps you should do some research before you mouth off about trade. Care to guess how much the red state Texas would lose in $$ if trade was cut off?

And by the way, for your information, Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall AFTER he became the nominee as well!

 

Because, even though it may pay for the wall, the congress still needs to approve of the spending first. That's how our government works. The POTUS cant just spend money where ever he wants, all spending bills start in the House of Representatives.

 

No need to fool people who fool themselves everyday; who assume they are as savvy about everything as the people who actually accomplish great things.
Our society's intelligence and wisdom is eroding everyday, being replaced with growing numbers of people embracing ignorance, arrogance and the belief that the only reason they are losers in life is that somebody cheated them. These people are incapable of learning; lack the ability to see even their own limitations.
If that trend continues, the nation will fade into oblivion, and the generations of ignorance will blame the people who made it a huge success in the first place and then entrusted it to their care.

 

Correct. If the costs are recovered by way of trade policy change, it does not come in earmarked for the wall- but it has been recovered all the same.
As the old saying goes- There is more than one way to skin a cat.

It's kind of like "But Wait!" Buy now, and we'll send you a second one free! Right. You pay for both by paying double for one, and you buy because you like to believe you got something free. Trump is the first professional business mind to be in the white house in decades. He knows how to play the game.

 

This is from Trump's memo.............That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

 

I posted a link where it is shown he said basically that.

 

Yep. That's the mantra on our pals on the right when it comes to political debate. DEFLECT...DEFLECT...DEFLECT. Neener, neener, neener your democrat lied. They just couldn't debate a topic presented without trying to make it about something else if their life depended on it.

 

Again, from Trump's memo.............

• On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160409010318/http://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

 

But you are making it difficult.
Any money "extracted" from Mexico thru trade and aid, can't be used to pay for the wall. That's not how it works.
I don't know what you're talking about with the "red states" word salad. I live in SD, a VERY red state. It also has the poorest counties in the country. It takes more federal money than it gives. It's a agriculture state that depends on socialism (farmer co-ops) that the people don't understand is the concept they fear. The farmer/ranchers also depend on the government to pay them when things go bad. They claim to be conservatives yet they rely on the very things the rail against. People are strange.
So yes, you are making it difficult because it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.