The new lie, "I never said Mexico would write a check."

Is there any evidence that the trade deal is recovering any of these costs? If so, why isn't the president presenting that correctly? Is there any evidence that trump has any sort of business mind?

 

Fact check: Mexico will 'indirectly' pay for a border wall through the new trade deal

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/fact-check-mexico-border-wall-1073928

 

Quote; He knows how to play the game

He certainly knows how to play the game with nonsensical statements, such as;

"They may even write us a check"

 

Yeah, guess we just have to take his word for it.

 

Any sort of business mind? He has 600 business entities around the world. How many you got?

A long time ago (in my first business) I presented a quote for a construction project to an rather arrogant buyer- who didn't even bother to look, just pushed it away and told me that he would make the conditions and I could take it or leave it. His plan was a cost-plus arrangement that he thought was tough and bulletproof. It wasn't a big job; under 100k. So I went back to my office and prepared a new quote using his terms. Fortunately he never looked at the original proposal, so never realized he paid me about 8K extra using his terms, and didn't get a damn thing more for it. You rarely beat a successful man at this own game, and Trump is one of the best business dealers anywhere. He was never expecting a check; always knew that the nature of the deals would make the money flow.

I've founded and run 7 businesses over 50 years, done business all over the world- and still do. I've had a chance to learn a little about the game too.

 

And they might as well have, since the check would be a one-time expense, but the trade deals he got revised will flow added cash indefinitely.
Like most people, their ego gets in the way of practical decisions. And, Trump does have a sense of humor. I think he may enjoy being able to do a one-finger click and see thousands of libs lose control of themselves.

 

So, first, what makes you think he has 600 businesses? And, what he does have, he either inherited, borrowed, or got as a front. There is no evidence that he has any business acumen. I mean his entire negotiation strategy for a $5 billion deal was snickers bars, he's clearly a complete idiot.

That's cute.

 

Yes, he lied.

Now ask me if I voted for Trump because I thought there was any way in Hell Mexico would buy us a border wall.

 

You pretty well explain the situation in that you assume that as an armchair observer- you are expert in a game you have never played, and making assumptions about things you have not researched at all.

There is a great deal of information on the Trump enterprises. If you simply look at Wikipedia for Trump businesses, the first paragraph states:

"The Trump Organization-
is the collective name for a group of approximately 500 business entities of which Donald Trump, the current U.S. President, is the sole or principal owner."

The total number varies for numerous reasons, as entities are bought, sold, merged, etc. That's 500 where he is principal, meaning partial ownerships and partnerships where he is not the managing or controlling partner may not be included. You can also check his inheritances too, but that is difficult to pin down. Regardless, the inheritance wealth was divided equally between the senior Trumps' five children. Many live off an inheritance, some build it into more. The well known Koch brothers inherited an oil business worth $50 Mil from a father, and there were four children. Today, two brothers are out but billionaires, and Koch industries is the second largest privately held company in the world second to Cargill. While many people tend to use inheritance as a way to discredit successful people- that's just not valid. IF you inherit and aren't a very wise businessman, you won't have the money long and you certainly won't be able to grow it. The same people who criticize inherited wealth wish their parents had left them wealth, and usually want to leave something to their own children. I don't blame parents for that, and I applaud children who continue to build it instead of squandering it.

 

1:36:00 was where I first realized this guy was a complete fraud. And everyone else should have realized it too.

 

You can be a success even if you inherit a start, but you are not a success if the only thing you ever did was inherit money.

 

So you watched the new channel that would sacrifice anything to bring down Trump, and believed what they told you. Need to broaden your persepctive.

As to the 1:36 point where Trump said" the world is blowing up around us"? That looks to me like a clairvoyant vision, and conditions today absolutely confirms it. Obviously he recognized where the liberal/democrat mindset was going before most of us.

He also stated he was going to get things done, and statistics back that up too. Not CNN statistics of course, but independent sources do- such As Rasmusson, who reporting he had built a "Shockingly long list of accomplishments" in his first year in office.

I understand people hate Trump. He's successful, and a great many people resent that out of hand regardless of other facts. He's tough, outspoken, and doesn't tell people what they want to hear- and a great many are offended by that; preferring comfortable lies over uncomfortable truth. I know one lady that hates him for his looks, and his frequent choice to wear a red tie which she thinks is a terrible choice with his hair color. However, I measure things by results and efforts. The congress is more an obstacle to achievement than a help for most presidents. In this case, the worst congressional performance in history is going on right now- and still, Trump is getting things done. Frauds just don't do that. Saying Trump is a fraud is like saying George Patton was a fraud, because the press didn't like him and he wouldn't suck up to the politicians. All he did was win battles more frequently than any other general in WWII. The Germans didn't like him either- they feared him. Much like the dems and liberals fear Trump, but with a lot more reason.

 

Failed to do your homework again? You seem to want to imply that Trump inherited everything he has. Is that right?
Correct in the general statement- But, it doesn't apply to Trump.

 

No, what he said at that point was he didn't know his stuff, but he promised he would know more than anyone later on. Now, even a small businessman like yourself has some experience hiring. You should be well aware that anybody who shows up to the most important job interview of his life and doesn't have their s*** together is never going to have their s*** together.

If you are desperately trying to lawyer for him or make excuses for him, you can debate the bias of the news coverage, but that is irrelevant in this case. He told us as clearly as any candidate ever could that he was a fraud and incompetent. But, even if you are desperately looking for an excuse to hire someone (I don't recommend this business practice by the way) this would be too much to overcome. He wasn't prepared. And to this day he isn't

 

Well, he also borrowed and stole some, but other than that, I don't think there is any evidence to the contrary.

 

The NYT did their homework.

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

"The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s."

 

Trump has a problem in that unlike Obama and others who feed you BS and are phoneys, Trump is what you see. Imperfections and all- Transparent.
Trump has never held political office, never had to cater to the weakness of the people who couldn't handle truth. That's his rough edge, and it's real. It may offend you but it's seen as an asset by many.

JFK's father (Joe Kennedy) once told it to him this way- "In politics, it doesn't matter what you are- only what people think you are."
In other words, put on a show that makes them think you are nice. That IS political SOP. For example, Hillary Clinton would tell the secret service agents to disappear when they saw her coming, to hide. One once greeted her with "Good Morning, Mam" and the response was "F*ck off". That was who she really is- but you never saw her tell a reporter to F*ck off, did you? Always a masquerade in public. Those who worked inside the white house with her knew another person altogether, a ruthless, rude, corrupt and immoral person.

IF you voted for her- that was the kind of character and personality you were buying; a total bitch selling herself as someone who actually cared. THAT WAS A FRAUD.

 

You constantly buy into the idea that a man's sworn enemies are telling the truth about him. Sad.

 

All of this is excuse making. We have never seen trump tell a difficult truth. It's true that he will say things other politicians wouldn't dare, but only in the context of the image he tries to cultivate. We have seen him lie over and over again, lies that don't depend on media coverage or bias to see through. We have seen him use gross personal attacks for no reason other than hurt feelings, and we have seen just about every other quality that identifies losers prominently displayed.

As a counter, you offer a story you heard somewhere (somewhere I'm guessing with a pretty heavy political leaning) about hillary, which even if true isn't very relevant. You aren't looking at this objectively.

 

I think you have nothing to add or observe of any value.

Just look up the stories by searching "Hillary Clinton secret service" or similar, Or, read the books (I think there are now two) written by retired secret service agents who were assigned to her. Actual quotes out the Kazoo. Or read the book Cllinton Cash, documenting the very numerous "coincidences" between huge payments for short speeches by Bill and special favors granted by the secretary of state- HC. So much dirt that you need a D8 dozer to shove it under the worlds biggest rug, and she sucked in millions of people just like you.

Trump calls it like he sees it. He isn't always right, and he isn't always nice But you do see what he is- and no president and few congressmen have ever been that truthful about who they are. If you can't cut it, stay on the porch.

 

Ok, or read one of the many books about trump.

 

I'm an entrepreneur; I've followed Trump and many others for over 30 years. If you can find some of the interviews done way back by Larry King and Trump, where politics and the presidency ere discussed, you would see that what he saw then has proved pretty accurate today. Most presidents never say an unscripted word, and even open QA and the like have often had previously reviewed questions and answers. All programmed in advance, often reviewed by psychologists and marketing people who know what a particular audience wants to hear. Trump is the first president that isn't putting on a show for the crowd. You have been being sold a mirage in the past- now you get reality. That is a GOOD thing. Yes, it's different. Get used to it.

 

By all means, show how much supporting illegal immigrant is costing taxpayers.
I've asked several posters this very question and you will be the 1st to put some numbers on it.

 

A far far cheaper way to cut down illegal immigration. And neither party will enforce the laws on the books.
It is illegal to employ an illegal immigrant. But they don't get fined for being criminal.

 

Such a simple solution. But no tRUMPer seems to bring up that simple fact.