The new lie, "I never said Mexico would write a check."

So, yes, there would be something refreshing about an honest down to earth president. But, first of all, that isn't good enough to make up for massive incompetence and stupidity. Second of all, just because his lies are stupid and easily seen through doesn't make him honest. And no! Do not get used to it, never get used to incompetence and corruption in government.

 

Supporting those illegal immigrants who give birth here alone costs taxpayers about $4B, annually, and that's a tiny fraction of the total cost.

End birthright citizenship for those here illegally, and use the savings to finance the wall.

 

You have no idea what you have been buying in the way of lies, corruption and deceit from government, because entrenched politicians ARE lying to you about themselves and what they do. That IS the nature of politics, and honest men and nice guys who try to run get thrown under the bus by those professional frauds you voted for.
YOU have been raised on political corruption and lies.

And Frankly- the guys in the cheap seats criticizing the quarterbacks are mostly blowing smoke up their own skirts.
That isn't good enough? Then there is an opportunity for a guy who knows everything, a real expert who can do so much better.
Trump ran for office with no prior political experience and won.
No reason you can't do it! Just file your notice of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission, and go for it. Tell the world how much smarter you are than Trump!
That could be your campaign slogan- 'Trump dumb, Me smart!" Something like that. I'm sure you can do better, because you apparently know more than the rest of us.
Don't just be another whiner- actually do something. Go for it.

 

Isn't it also illegal to aid abet and offer sanctuary to criminals? I'm sure tipping them off that law enforcement is coming is also illegal. Why do democrats get a pass?

 

why do you exclude Democrats who offer illegal immigrants Healthcare, Welfare, and Sanctuary cities?

Democrats go as far as to warn gangsters that ice raids are coming. If employers need to be held liable so do government officials.

 

Well you certainly have before based on partisanship so are we supposed to label you too?

 

Please cite the source.
TIA.

 

Nice deflection.
There would be no aiding and abetting if they aren't here for work.
Why is it you don't support fining illegal employers? No work, the vast majority leave. Simple cost effective solution.

 

I don't exclude. The D's have no power at the moment, but the house.
And for almost 2 yrs, the R's could have done that.
Actually since Reagan, R's have had several opportunities to go after employers as well as the D's.
Guess what, neither party did so.
Why? Not sure.
IMO, both parties want those immigrant workers in the country. You got a better explanation?

 

Jeff sessions tried to cut off funding to Sanctuary cities and the courts who supposedly aren't political told him he couldn't.

For some reason Democrats seem to be immune to the laws. The last thing I expect to see is Democrats being mad at democrats for aiding and abetting criminals. They just point to rhinos to draw a moral equivalence.

 

Ha ha ha. Kinda like what obama did with his website when he didn't keep campaign promises?

This OPs need a disclaimer. Like, here I am, Mr. Hypocrisy, griping about what my own president did, and which I of course ignored and didn't make an issue of it. ha ha.

Of course to be a partisan, demands hypocrisy! Right? Right!

If not for hypocritical ankle biters, we would have few OPs about trump. ha ha ha

Trump used to get cheers when he would say he would build a wall and make mexico pay for it. I saw it as campaign rhetoric, but then I am quite a bit more intelligent than your run of the mill partisan. But unlike other presidents in my life, at least trump has tried to keep his promises to americans. That has to infuriate the democrats?

You better remember trump for you will not see this ever again from a man who is elected president. You will get lies, as we have come to expect when it comes to promises. Trump is working hard to get that promises wall, even if mexico does not pay for it. But if he gets it, and less money is sent back to mexico by the illegals, they are in a way, paying for it, since they depend upon being a parasite on the US for much of their money as millions send money back to mexico, made here illegally.

 

The gov't can't use extortion as a means to govern.
It still has to follow the constitution. Do you think a party should be able to use extortion and not follow the constitution to get its way?

The D's are immune to extortion and neither party can break laws to enforce a different one.

I see you conveniently avoided answering why the R party isn't going after criminal employers who hire the illegal workers.
Why is that?

 

I think if a city is aiding and abetting criminals the federal government should be able to do something

I am all for raiding employers who employ illegal immigrants and I would start in sanctuary cities where they hire illegal immigrants to Dodge taxes.

Beto knows where a cotton gin is that only hires illegal immigrants. they can't get Americans to work for slave wages

 

OK, but why start in the most difficult places? That seems silly or vindictive.
Start where it's the easiest.
As it becomes seen that the gov't is serious about going after employers, employers will willingly seek out illegals.
Sure there will likely be push back at those sanctuary cities, but now the problem will be isolated to small areas and easier then to isolate and go after.

 

To tell you the truth I don't care where we start as long as we finish. I want to see everyone who aids and abets illegal immigrants to be prosecuted from employers to government officials.

It seems democrats just want to punish employers but do not want to punish government officials.

 

https://www.watchdog.org/national/t...cle_cb8ea0e2-d873-11e8-8aa0-2f45f29d051e.html

 

Neither party wants to punish employers. It's why we have so many illegals.

 

The difference is we have one party who wants to offer illegals healthcare and welfare paid for by the American people.

 

• We estimate that the cost to taxpayers for births to immigrants (legal and illegal) is roughly $5.3 billion — $2.4 billion of which is for illegal immigrants.
• Although immigration adds enormously to the number of births, it raises the nation’s overall birth rate by only 4 percent, partly because immigrant fertility is not that much higher than that of natives.

States

• In California, New Jersey, and New York, immigrants (legal and illegal) account for about one-third of all births. In Massachusetts, Nevada, Florida, Texas, Hawaii, Maryland, and Washington, immigrants account for one in four births. Immigrants account for one in five births in Virginia, Connecticut, Illinois, Arizona, Rhode Island, and Oregon.
• The states with the largest numbers of births to illegal immigrants are California with 65,000, Texas with 51,000, Florida with 16,000, Illinois with 14,000, Georgia with 13,000, New York with 12,000, and New Jersey and North Carolina with 11,000 each.
• The state with the highest share of births to illegal immigrants is Nevada, at nearly one in six. Births to illegal immigrants account for one in seven births in California and Texas.
• In North Carolina, Texas, and Georgia, three-fourths of births to illegal immigrants were likely paid for by taxpayers. In California, Florida, and New York, two-thirds of these births were likely taxpayer funded. In Illinois and New Jersey, more than half were likely funded by the public.

https://www.cis.org/Report/Births-Legal-and-Illegal-Immigrants-US

Thanks, now we have some baseline when one wants to talk about the costs.

 

No, that is not a difference.
See the post I just did, in reference to hotdogr and his numbers he included for 1 cost of illegals.
You will note: R states are high in medicaid costs for illegal immigrant births.

I suspect, there are many illegal immigrants in Red states, because they have jobs in those states.
So, I won't buy your fake it's all 1 party BS.

 

Then we need to bust down employers and government official's who aid and abet illegal immigrants. Don't care where we start as long as we finish. Government official's who Abuse their office and American tax dollars To aid and abet criminals need to be held Accountable.

 

Your party has the country. Now senate and WH. Get them working on it.
They had the WH and all of congress for almost 2 yrs and did very very little. So I won't hold my breath your party will do anything about the real problem.

The laws are on the books.
Even R controlled states aren't doing anything about it.

 

And cities like LA don't get fined for not turning over illegals who are arrested to ICE.

 

Is that your justification? Because some cities don't turn them in, it's perfectly fine for criminal employers to hire them?

You know, cities would not need to harbor them, if they weren't here in the 1st place working for criminal employers. You understand that?

 

You got that right!

IF employers (CEOS) were JAILED for hiring illegals there would be many many LESS illegals.