The next JFK...

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The only way is going to happen is if you ban the use of all robotics and AI. How will you implement that ban? If you do not ban those robotics and AI what are you going to do with the millions of Americans who become unemployed and unemployable by corporations?
     
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    Nationally, the presidency, independents decide who wins. Due to gerrymandering and the creation of majority minority districts, independents have much less clout in the House. Yet they are probably the key to who wins in around 100 districts. That's an educated guess, I'd have to do a lot of research to find or to be able to give a more accurate number.

    I would also guess that those states with a PVI, Partisan voting index of 5 or less, independents decide governors and senators. But again that is a number out of a hat without any valid research.

    The problem is as independents have grown larger, major parties have shrunk, that has left the hard core of each in charge of who gets nominated. Independents have little to no say in either party's nomination process or their primaries unless you happen to live in an open primary state. This leads to Trump vs. Clinton type elections. Independents may have been better served sticking with one or the other party to have a say in the nomination process. Maybe, maybe not.
     
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    Indeed! I continue to hope for a candidate who will not even mention Trump (low hanging fruit, in my opinion) and focus, instead, on the country they envision...then, how they will take the country in that direction.
     
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    The entire election process has become entertainment theater. Campaigning lasts for 2 years, and the cost of running the campaign is astronomical. We need a true leader with vision - not a carnival barker who commands an audience with his/her entertainment skills. But, alas, that seems to be what the population wants...
     
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    AND, the scheme of globalism, and illegal immigration, both that dems are fine with is also a contributing factor.
     
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    Holy **** you're on the yang gang?

    Mr. I'll just cut everyone a check for $1000.00 without crashing the economy with rampant inflation?

    :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
     
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    Your quest here is interesting & timely. I am personally impressed with several of the current Democratic candidates seeking their party's nomination for President. But, I've gradually become increasingly impressed with Pete Buttigieg, who does literally remind me of JFK, a lot, when I watch him being interviewed. It's uncanny, & I've thought exactly that thought several times while watching him interviewed.
     
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    You want us to believe that hyper-partisanship does not exist on the left?
     
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    Not the way it does in intensity and hatred and numbers.
     
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    Gee, @Derideo_Te, you shouldn't hold us in suspense to the second post to find out who you're talking about. Using "him" until the end of the second post.

    So, this is another Yang thread. Well, now I have another thread to put on my watch list, because I'm a fan of Yang. It seems like there are going to be a lot of topics on Andrew Yang, a new forum topic for each forum member who discovers him.
     
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    "Why Beto and Buttigieg Pretend to Be Kennedys" https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/07/beto-buttigieg-2020-campaign-kennedy-jfk-226575

    "Pete Buttigieg has followed a clear Kennedy path: attending Harvard, studying in England, serving in the military, and preaching generational change and “a fresh start.” Meanwhile, he has a natural means of erasing the predatory womanizing from the JFK image: He’s gay. His extroverted husband, ubiquitous on social media, provides both the reassurance of domestic tranquility and a reminder that the Buttigieg candidacy is groundbreaking in more than just his audacity in running for the White House while serving as a small-city mayor. His fearless pursuit of the nomination, while eschewing the usual credentialing process, marks him as a man apart, too. Democratic primary voters love to make a statement and voting for a gay man may feel more refreshing, and more like a symbolic repudiation of Donald Trump, than opting for a more conventional Kennedy stand-in."
     
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    Neither Mayor Pete or Yang has any sort of real shot at the nomination.

    Pete is running for the future and Yang isn't even on the radar.

    Biden is the frontrunner followed by Sanders.

    In the unlikely event that both of them tank, Harris would be next in line.
     
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    Buttygigged? Surely ye jest. :eek: He's a lunatic.:roflol:
     
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    And whoooooo wooooould that beeee??

    I hold a very different view. We don't need another JFK. There was only one JFK and there will only be one JFK, but we need a TICKET of two people who are smart, dynamic, not beholden to special interests and who have do desire to compromise with the deplorable Trumpsuckers of the world, but rather, who want to put America back on the course of decency and freedom for all people, not just fat, white, racist white men-pigs. The Ds don't need to convince the MAGA crowd. The Ds need to register 25 million new Democrats all over the country and basta.

    The reason why there are circa 20 D candidates is because the Ds smell the blood in the water. The large field is a good sign for the party. A president who, in spite of a robust economy, cannot break out of 40% approval and who is, in the average, underwater among women voters by -30 points, is headed for a massive loss in 2020. The blue wave of 2018 (D +8.6% in the HOR and netting 39 seats, +11 in the Senate in spite of losing seats) is just one harbinger of things to come in 2020. Further investigations into his criminality and immorality are not going to help him, either.

    I want to point out that for the first time perhaps ever, not just the top person on the ticket, but rather, the entire ticket is going to be important.

    I can live with most of the 20 candidates. Some obviously have no chance at all (2 are absolutely batshit crazy) and will soon disappear from the radar screen entirely, and after IA, NH, SC, NV and CA, the field will winnow very quickly. The race will not be nearly as competitive as it now appears, when all is said and done.

    Right now, anything can happen. Roughly around this point in time going into the 1976 elections, Jimmy Carter announced his candidacy (December 12, 1974). He was mired at maybe 3% in the then-sparse D-nomination polling and ended up being the nominee in 1976. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, announced far later (October 31, 1991) for the 1992 election and he too was mired at about 3% in the then growing D-nomination polling. Paul Tsongas was the frontrunner. My point is: all sorts of things can happen between now and the first 4 contests, so I am perfectly content to drink tea and wait.

    And although I doubt that Bill Weld can win the R-nomination against an incumbent president, no matter how much the other side literally despises him, Bill Weld can do the incumbent president a lot of damage. See: 1968 (McCarthy knocked incumbent LBJ off in the primaries, actually won the most primary contests that year), 1976 (Ford received a massive inter-party challenge from Ronald Reagan, who even went so far as to force a floor-vote on the choice of VP candidate BEFORE the actual balloting for president, thus moving the balloting until late into the night and giving the convention a 2-ballot convention look and feel), 1980 (Ted Kennedy and Jerry Brown challenged incumbent Jimmy Carter, who just came over 51% of the NPV for all 50 states when all was said and done and the acromony in MI and AK was so strong, both states voted for unpledged delegates to the convention) and 1992 (Buchanan challenged incumbent Bush 41 and although Papa Bush won all 51 contests, he let Buchanan speak at the Convention and Buchanan literally did the man in, right then and there). Being primaried forces Trump to invest time and money that would otherwise go into his GE campaign into a unwished-for primary season.

    So, as in 1968, 1976, 1980 and 1992, we see an incumbent president being challenged from within his own party. In all four cases from the past, the incumbent party lost the GE.

    -Stat
     
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    Globalization is a Wall Street Casino Scam that is aided and abetted by the Establishment in BOTH parties.

    The illegal immigration aspect is a SMOKE SCREEN DEFLECTION by the GOP to prevent you from realizing who the REAL CULPRITS are that are actually CAUSING the wealth disparity.
     
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    LOL!

    Actually this is my 2nd thread about Yang.

    My first one is called The Cold Civil War.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-cold-civil-war.554231/
     
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    Thank you!

    Great article. I recommend that everyone read for the insights into JFK and which aspects are the ones that appeal across the political spectrum.

    Both Beto and Buttigieg do have aspects of JFK and perhaps the most significant DIFFERENCE between Yang and JFK is that the latter was always vague on specific policies whereas that is the strength of Yang's campaign.

    Be interesting to see how this plays out.
     
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    Yang has climbed from nowhere to 8th place without any name recognition.

    Worth noting that the Dems habitually LOSE with rewarmed VP's (Humphrey, Mondale and Gore) and long time Establishment candidates like Kerry. OTOH the Dems WIN with long shots like Carter, Clinton and Obama.

    At this stage "frontrunner" just means name recognition. Bernie had virtually none at the beginning of 2016 and yet he came within reach of beating Hillary out of nowhere. Yes, Hillary lost because she was essentially another rewarmed long time party Establishment candidate whereas Bernie would have beaten the BLOTUS.

    So let's keep an open mind here and examine all of the longshots before we discount them out of hand.
     
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    Thank you for that insight. It is appreciated.

    The article provided by @carlosofcali gives the background as to the importance of JFK characteristics in a Dem candidate and a pretty good summation of what does and does not work for the Dems when it comes to winning General Elections.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/07/beto-buttigieg-2020-campaign-kennedy-jfk-226575

    There will never be a JFK clone but there will be those who adopt his leadership style and vision. That is what we are looking for in 2020.

    Yes, it is still early days and the field is wide open. However it does not hurt to start taking a look at the early performance statistics. In this regard Yang has massively OVERPERFORMED with a grass roots campaign and zero name recognition to leaping into 8th place in the 538 rankings and being endorsed by Nate Silver as MAJOR CANDIDATE above both Booker and Klobuchar. I don't recall anyone else doing that this early in the season. Yes, Clinton and Carter were both longshots but they declared and entered the race much later than Yang has done.

    Another set of statistics that is fascinating is that while Yang only ranks 12th when it comes to articles per politician he is way ahead when it comes to the Polling Performance per Article Ratio by more than 2:1. Yes, this will change as he gains more name recognition but this early in the race there is no one else even close.

    When someone is racking up these kinds of statistics that make someone like Nate Silver pay attention then that is definitely something worthy of attention IMO.
     
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    Though still undeclared, Joe Biden is calling himself a Biden/ Obama Democrat. That has appeal esp if Obama were to endorse Biden.
     
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    If Obama endorses Biden, which I believe he will do, that will help Joe in the primaries.
     
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    Cast your eyes to the White House and you will see he is already President.
     
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    Who the hell wants another JFK after he escalated the war in Viet Nam? And for what? The military industrial complex.
    Womanizing while in office and he was a racist. And you guys complain about Trump inheriting his wealth but never about Jack inheriting his.
     
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    I think Obama will stay neutral throughout the primary campaigns.
     
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    There's NOTHING inspiring or visionary connected to the current resident of the Oval Office, visible to me. How anyone who loves this country can support a man who lies every time he opens his mouth, decapitates everyone around him who disagrees with him on any topic, just to make himself appear larger, & loves himself more than anything or anyone else, is simply beyond my comprehension. There's far too much EGO there for me to feel comfortable with. ANY Democrat would be an improvement.
     
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