I see libhater is too embarrassed from eating all his crow to have to come back here and tell me how awful the crow tastes. as i said before,he is right about Brady,he is clueless and wrong about everything else he said though obviously.lol. Originally Posted by Libhater Reverse everything you said there and the outcome will be a 4th super bowl win for the Patriots. Not only is this a redemption game for America's team the Patriots, but Billicheck is considered to be the best coach of all time, and there is no way the Pats are going to lose this game under his tutelage. Bellicheck is working with a team that was last in defense, yet he managed to get this team to the super duper bowl. That fact alone puts the guy on top of the heap. And anyone supporting a pro Boston sports team has that added incentive to see their team beat the dreaded N.Y. teams, such was our happiness in watching the hated Jets take a dive--all the while watching rex ryan moan and whine over their demise. Patriots on top of the world. Tom Brady...greatest QB of all time.
I'll take Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Tomlin over any QB-Coach combo in the league. The problem I've always had with Brady and Peyton Manning is that the both wilt when they face a blistering pass rush. The great QBs will step into the throw and take the shot without flinching or falling down first...Dan Fouts, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Johnny Unitas were the personification of this greatness. Now Big Ben is the toughest QB in the league. He shakes off tackles sprints out a makes huge plays in big games. It has been proven time and again that both Brady and Peyton Manning both choke when they are hit hard a few times in a game....The Jets slapped Brady around in the playoffs last year, the Ravens knocked them out a few years back.... Cheers
The Broncos slapped the rapist Little Ben around this year, and he wilted under pressure. The Packers the same thing last year. The rapist Little Ben is the most overrated player in the NFL. He is an above average NFL QB, who has had the pleasure of playing with extraordinary talent around him. If you give Peyton Manning that sort of talent, how would have at least 3-4 super bowls by now. Instead he had little talent, and carried teams as far as they could possibly go based almost solely on his greatness. Brady and Brees have done similar things. Little Ben on the other hand has ridden the coat tails of his far better teammates!!
The Broncos beat a decimated Steeler defense and a one legged Roethlisberger at their home stadium. Four former pro bowl players were out of the line up. Still a hobbled Roethlisberger rallied his team back from a 14 point deficit in the forth quarter to get them into OT. This wasn't our year but you can bet that we'll be right in the hunt next year, as always. Ben has played in the NFL for seven seasons and has three AFC titles and two Super Bowls. Also the Steelers, who are one of the great organizations in professional sports have never had a coach who has repeatedly been accused of cheating. If Belicek had been caught cheating in Pittsburgh, he would have been fired the next day. The Colts who snuck out of Baltimore at night a few decades back are owned by scumbag Irsay who is one of the least liked personalities in the NFL. Brady and Peyton Manning are a couple of overrated prima donnas with no balls and Belicek will always be tarnished as a cheater. The Steeler haters such as yourself are simply fans of inferior teams who are jealous of the fact that Pittsburgh is the most succesful franchise in the last 50 years of NFL football. The Patriots are hated because of the cheating lable they have rightfully been tagged with. Also a bunch of bandwagon fans who have sprung up since they had their little run in 2002-2004 are obnoxious and ignorant..(See libhater here on PF for a classic example)..The Patriots haven't won an NFL Championship before or since. They were a flash in the pan and many of us feel that their success in those three years was a direct result of their cheating. Dallas, Oakland, Washington, San Francisco, Greenbay, New York Giants, The early Chicago Bears and The Pittsburgh Steelers of the past 40 years are the dominant franchises in NFL history....New England is a perrenial bunch of losers that had a good run and then got nailed for cheating.... For example, here's an article written just this week...Enjoy the read! Cheers http://www.opposingviews.com/i/spor...ots-cant-seem-win-super-bowl-without-cheating New England Patriots Can't Seem to Win a Super Bowl Without Cheating Feb 9, 2012 "Have the New England Patriots ever earned a Super Bowl win? Why do people give Bill Belichick and Tom Brady the credit that Barry Bonds doesnt get? Your local New England Patriots fan will toe the company line that Spygate or cheating didnt give them a competitive advantage. Then, why do it? Did steroids allow Barry Bonds to hit a curve ball better? No, but when he made contact it helped the ball fly over wall 73 times in one season. I dont hate the Patriots, Tom Brady, or Bill Belichick, but I refuse to forget that they cheated in achieving all three of their Super Bowl wins. Is it a coincidence that this franchise has never won a Super Bowl before or after their videotaping from 2000-2007? (They were busted in their first game of the 2007 season) I struggle to understand how a nation full of respected media writers that were appalled by the steroid era in baseball can sing in unison the praises of Belichick and Brady as possibly the best coach and quarterback duo in NFL history. They were caught cheating! All of their ultimate success came during that time frame. Yes, you can talk about their impressive regular season wins and the stats after Spygate, but not when youre one of those in the media that always cling to the argument that rings equal greatness. The fact is that they have in fact won three rings, but they havent earned any. Go back and read how upset so many writers were with this scandal back in 2007 and look how nonchalant they are about it now. The media was outraged. I guess time really does heal all wounds, but I didnt know it erased facts from the past. It seems that anytime someone writes something about Spygate, they automatically become labeled as Patriots hater or a jealous Jets fan. Lets stop that notion cold in its tracks by taking a look at some quotes from a Boston writers perspective from 2008. Heres what Bostons own Bob Ryan had to say about Spygate. There can no longer be any doubt that he engaged in a practice he knew was against the rules. The big question we cannot answer is how important it all was, really. Did his illegal practice of taping opponents defensive signals aid his teams chances of victory in certain games by 20 percent? Ten percent? Three percent? One-10th of 1 percent? Not at all? No one will ever know. They will be the team that broke the rules. Their three Super Bowls will be regarded as ill-gotten gain. The sports community now associates the Patriots with cheating. The three Super Bowl championships are, and forever will be, under suspicion. The thought will never go away. Cont....
The reason I haven't come back here to eat crow is because I've been out in Vegas betting the house on the Giants +3 to beat the spread. I realized long ago that the Patriots had a rebuilding team--especialy on the defensive side where they were either 31st or 32nd through the entire season. I said earlier before the super bowl that I wouldn't pick the Patriots to beat the Giants by a large amount. So after deep consideration of the weak Patriot defense and the fact that the Giants had beaten them earlier in the season up at Foxboro, I decided that the Giants would indeed beat that 3 point spread. So I jumped on a jet out to Vegas to bet the house on those hated Giants. I then parlayed my winnings by playing and winning at my favorite table game which is seven card stud. Mine and America's team lost the game, but personally I won where it matters....financially. Brady is still the game's best QB. Imagine how the Patriots would do by having even an average defense. Even with a shaky defense--the Pat's still managed to win 13 games on the season. Just goes to show you what a genuis both Bilicheck and Brady have become as they are the best QB/coach team of all time.
I'm sure we all believe that crap, hater....You just failed to mention that before the game and ran your mouth off right up to game time about how your boys were going to win...Rightttt champ!! LOL BTW: 7 card stud is not a table game, it's poker. You probably have never even been in a casino. Table games are defined as games of chance played against the house like Bacarat, Black Jack, Craps, Roulette, Pai Gow etc.......You have exposed yourself as the know nothing, blowhard BS artist you are... Cheers
Hmm...let's see here...poker is played in a casino...it is played at a poker table. Yep, it's a table game.
If you or libhater knew anything about casinos you would understand the distinction... http://www.mirage.com/casino/table-games.aspx
If Belicek is such a genius, how did he come to assemble such a crappy defense. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that defense wins championships...Belicek has been coaching this team for ten years. The third rate defense is of his own making. Bill Walsh & Joe Montana 4 Superbowl Wins 0 Superbowl Losses Chuck Noll & Terry Bradshaw 4 Superbowl Wins 0 Super Bowl Losses BTW: Both of those coaches assembled top rated defenses along with their excellent QBs. Neither Montana or Bradshaw ever won many if any meaningless statistical titles regarding yardage, completions, or td passes during the regular season. They just won big games and rarely choked with the championship on the line...Brady might be an all time great in fantasy football but he's second teir where it counts in the real world...
http://www.foxwoods.com/Gaming.aspx Notice that on their home page, like every casino in the world, they make a distinction between poker and "Table Games"....The difference is that table games are played against the house and poker is played against other patrons... Cheers
I did most of my gambling on the poker tables at Foxwoods after leaving Mohegan Sun in lieu of the largest poker spread in the nation. Its obvious that guy has no clue as to what represents table games at a casino. I have recently moved to Florida where I've picked up the pace by playing poker down at the Isle casino at the Pompano race track casino. Btw, Foxwoods is the largest casino in the nation. Btw, my avatar isn't just smiling while thinking of having a nation with no liberals, but its also smiling on me while I count the mucho bucks I made by betting smartly out at Vegas. Being in the military I've also gotten to gamble at casinos all over the world. Of course it was gambling on those correctly named poker tables. LOL!
I see. Not only are you an astute political commentator, but an out and out expert on football, international gambling officianado and no doubt a huge war hero...Pretty impressive champy. Making all those "mucho bucks" from Vegas...LOL...When you were in the War was your code name "agent orange"? [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMr98lszm8Y"]Eddie Murphy = Blind Vietnam Vet - YouTube[/ame]
I thought Mohegan Sun was the largest after their latest expansion? Don't really care...I don't gamble.
I do get a lot of inspiration from guys like Murphy who make me laugh. Levity is a good thing you know. I'm a little sad that you don't believe any of my stories. What would you think if I was telling the truth? The fact is I'm living a wonderful retirement life off of Uncle Sam down here in warm Florida. My combat veteran buddies that shared a PTSD cohort with me at the Veterans Hospital in West Haven, CT. gave me all the pointers (including unrealistic trauma events) I needed in order to fake combat PTSD systems during our 4-month in house PTSD cohort. Looks like I did a good job of fooling those doctors and psyches since I walked away with permanent & total 100% benefits and 100% $$ compensation. LOL!
Yes, he only won 3 super bowls and has only been to 5!! Do you expect people to take you seriously, when you consistently post such idiotic things about football? The rapist little Ben an above average QB, playing with great players. That Moron Bradshaw was for a long time a bad QB, playing with great players, but he did eventually develop into an average QB. Brady and Manning are 2 of the 5 greatest QBs of all time. It is almost as if you know nothing about football. People who know anything, realize how great they really are. Manning won a super bowl and made another, with bad to average defenses and average offensive talent around him. He was just so great he carried his teams. Brady won Super Bowls with very good defenses, but bad offensive talent around him. He has since made 2 more Super Bowls with bad defenses, but good offensive talent. Players like Bradshaw won because all he had to do was not screw things up, and let his defense and playmakers win games. A luxury players like Manning and Brady never had.
As I clearly demonstrated, the three SBs that Brady won were tainted by the Belicheat scandal. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/spor...ots-cant-seem-win-super-bowl-without-cheating Headline Patriots Can't Win Superbowl Without Cheating In case you weren't aware, Bradshaw won two Super Bowl MVPs. You know little or nothing about football. Bradshaw made the Pro Football Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility by a large margin. Pretty good for a bad QB who later became average....LOL....You are not very credible champy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Bradshaw Terry Paxton Bradshaw (born September 2, 194 is a former American football quarterback with the Pittsburgh Steelers in the National Football League (NFL). He is currently a TV analyst and co-host of Fox NFL Sunday. He played 14 seasons with Pittsburgh, won four Super Bowl titles in a six-year period (1974, 1975, 1978 and 1979), becoming the first quarterback to win three and four Super Bowls, and led the Steelers to eight AFC Central championships. He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1989, his first year of eligibility. A tough competitor, Bradshaw had a powerful – albeit at times erratic – arm and called his own plays throughout his football career. His physical skills and on-the-field leadership played a major role in Pittsburgh Steelers history. During his career, he passed for more than 300 yards in a game only seven times, but three of those performances came in the post-season, and two of those in Super Bowls. In four career Super Bowl appearances he passed for 932 yards and 9 touchdowns, both Super Bowl records at the time of his retirement. In 19 postseason games he completed 261 passes for 3,833 yards. I'm sure that both Brady and Peyton Manning will be 1st round HOFers too. They are both great pocket passers who rack up big numbers. In this fantasy football era where many young fans are totally enamored with stats there will also be several ignorant blowhards who will insist that they are the greatest of all time. Steeler fans know what wins championships. Teamwork, defense and balanced offense, not stats. I don't think we have ever had a league leader in passing, recieving or rushing. We have never had a coach convicted of cheating either, and yet we have 6 NFL Championships and no doubt more to come in the near future....Go figure I notice that you didn't address the fact that Belichick has consistently put crappy defenses on the field even though the Patriot bandwagoneers are always crowing about him being one of the greatest coaches of all time. Great coaches assemble solid defenses year in and year out and don't have to resort to cheating in order to win.
There is absolutely no value to anything you are saying. Everyone cheated in the 70s, and constantly. Does that mean Bradshaw couldn't win a super Bowl without cheating? Of course it doesn't(well it does, because he was terrible. But put Unitas in their instead, and you get my point). Brady is a truly great QB, and what you fail to realize is that while violence and cheating are less part of the game now, the game is exponentially more complex. The offenses people like Bradshaw ran were like High school offenses today. A person with an IQ in the 70s like Bradshaw simply wouldn't be able to cope. So I will give the rapist little Ben some credit at least, he is likely the greatest QB in Steelers history. PS. Though that is similar to being the greatest QB in the history of my team, the Bears. Being the greatest Linebacker or running back is an extraordinary achievement, being the best QB, not so much. The Steelers have a better history of QBs than the Bears, but not by much.
What are you talking about regarding everyone cheating in the '70s? BS....You are obviously trying to make excuses for the cheating NE coach...There was no excuse and his three SBs are tainted....Also, if Brady recieved information given to him that was obtained by cheating and used it in his game plan, he is also guilty of cheating. Terry Bradshaw was as football smart as any QB of his time. He is one of the last guys who took total control of his offense and called his own plays. With him at the helm, his team won 8 division titles and four Super Bowls...Enough said. Suggesting that he was stupid just exposes your football ignorance. Ben could end up being the greatest QB in Steeler history if he can get and stay healthy. With Mike Tomlin and the great Steeler organization it is certainly possible that Ben could win three or four more bowls and pass up the great Bradshaw. Right now, Terry is undisputedly number one in Pittsburgh. I would certainly be willing to bet that Ben ends up with a better record in Super Bowls than Brady or Peyton Manning. We'll just have to wait and see. George Halas of the Bears was one the great inovators of the passing game in the NFL along with great QB Sid Luckman who is still regarded by many as one of the best pure passers of all time. Both the Bears and Steelers are known for great linebackers...Butkus and Singletary for the Bears and Ham, Lambert, Russell, and Harrison for the Steelers are among the best of all time. I have always had respect and admiration for opponents that knocked us out in the past, like the Raiders, The Chargers and Broncos in the '70s and those great Dallas Cowboy teams we beat in great games. Now I respect the Ravens, Packers and sometimes the Bengals as worthy opponents. After the Pats beat us at home in 2002 and won their first Super Bowl against the Rams I thought Belichick was a genius in his defensive play calling. It seemed as if they knew exactly what we were running. Then, when the cheating scandal broke and Hines Ward said they were "calling out our plays" right as the ball was snapped I realized that we were cheated. I don't like Belichick and NE for that reason ...I hope they never win again. Cheers
thats true,I never thought about that.Tomlin is a good coach no doubt.Easily better than Belecheck,Im not sure that he is a great one like Cowher though.Cowher he was able to get the steelers to the AFC championship game despite having Kordell stewart as his quarterback. and even got into the playoffs with journeyman Mike tomzak. we will have to wait and see if its Big Ben that has made Tomlin look so good when the day comes that Ben has to hang it up.Right now like i said,I think he is good coach,but till that day comes,he has to prove with another quarterback that he is a GREAT coach.again thats why Belecheck is so freaking over rated.Till Brady came along,he was a big zero.
you OWNED him BIG time.I would like to him get out there and play on ONE leg and behind the most injury depleted line in the NFL and see how far he gets.It was amazing that he was able to make it a clsoe game with all that going on.I watched that game and the announcers kept saying that they had many key starters on both sides of the line out with injurys so so course a team is going to struggle mightily playing with one arm tied behind their back.
I think it is very possible that Brady made Belichick seem better than he is, just Like Peyton made Jim Caldwell seem better(and with Peyton out you realize how great Peyton was, and that Caldwell wasn't that great). Aaron Rodgers makes Mike McCarthy seem better than he is. The only great QB coach combo I don't think that of is Brees and Sean Payton. I think they are both borderline great at what they do, but the combination of their abilities brings out the best in both to make them both seem greater than they would be without each other.
Are you making a joke? Even with all those injuries the Steelers defense was still better than New Englands, and Brady has weapons that are good, but are made to look better because Brady is their QB. Welker and Branch were nothing without Brady. Put Brady on this years Steelers team, and they would have killed the Broncos, just like this years Patriots team did. The rapist little Ben, is not in the same category as Brady. Brady is an all-time great, little Ben is above average for today. Stop being such a Steelers homer!! I love the Bears, but I don't delude myself into believing Cutler is in a category with Brees, Brady, Manning, and Rodgers. Little Ben and Cutler are pretty comparable actually. Both are giant (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags, but pretty good at playing Qb, and will go as far as the talent around them can take them. They won't hold their team back like say Alex Smith did the 49ers this year, but they also will never carry a team to the Super Bowl Like Peyton, Brady, and Brees can and have.
All three of our defensive linemen were out, Hampton, Smith and Keisel. Also recent multiple pro-bowl safety Ryan Clark and rookie of the year and two time probowl selection Markice Pouncy were out. Roethlisberger could barely run because of his ankle injury. Get a grip champ. Also, coming from a guy that thinks Terry Bradshaw was a bad QB who eventually became average it doesn't mean a hell of a lot..Terry beat the great Roger Staubach, Tom Landry and the legendary Dallas "Doomsday Defense TWICE in the big game..... Peyton Manning has been knocked out of the playoffs so many times it's hard to count. His one victory in the SB was against a mediocre Bear team with Rex ? at QB.....Peyton will always be remembered for the pick six meatball he tossed up there in the clutch against New Orleans a couple years back when his team had a chance to win....I'm over 60 and I could have picked that one off...Eli is the great talent from that family... Brady threw a clutch interception last week late in the game to a slow linebacker who was out of football early this season, another weak dying duck when it counted most...The throw to a wide open Welker should have been caught but it was was high and behind him when it should have hit him in the hands, belt high like Eli's toss to a well covered Manningham. The third down toss to an open Dion Branch was so horrible it could have easily been picked...Not my kind of guys....I'll take Ben an Terry over those two mooks anyday.... Cheers
