The NRA

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    I'll apologize for that. I recognized it as a joke (if a bad one) ;-) but after debating with myself about the context of my response ran out of time to edit my response appropriately.
     
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    Only in your own mind.
     
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    No, he’s right. From the perspective of collectivism, social control, mob rule, and the anti Constitution clack, those that believe in the principles framing the Constitution and protection of liberty and individual rights, gun owners, usually those that politically oppose their mindless dogma, are the problem. I will remain so.
     
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    You are DIRECTLY quoting the DEBUNKED LIES of Director Cox but obviously you cannot tell that he is lying because you never bothered to read the FactCheck article that EXPOSED his LIES!

    https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/nra-execs-false-gun-claim/

    In addition you don't appear to understand what a regulation is either since that is what the SSA implemented under the Obama EO which automatically becomes part of the Law of the Land unless challenged.

    Now comes the amusing part. You have abandoned your pretense of having your imaginary lofty standards and ideals and have returned to wallow in the gutter of ad homs again. That is ALWAYS a tacit concession of FAILURE on the part of the person posting the ad homs.

    :roflol:

    Game, set and match since my predictions have been proven to be correct again!

    Have a nice day!
     
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    :roflol:

    More evidence that my predictions about the gun obsessed are 100% accurate!
     
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    Ironic PROJECTION ignored for obvious reasons.
     
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    That a corrupt and venal prosecutor does not uphold the Law of the Land is not my problem.
     
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    :roflol:

    Firstly you ADMIT that I am right and then you wallow in the ad hom gutter.

    It doesn't get much funnier that that but thanks for demonstrating that all you have are anecdotes and ad homs.
     
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    Your failure to refute the facts presented is not my problem.
     
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    :roflol:

    Another post proving that my predictions are 100% accurate about Gun Control threads.
     
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    And another post supporting my accurate predictions!
     
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    Just like your world class projection hypocrisy?
     
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    Your posts are documented evidence of the accuracy of my predictions.
     
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    And yet you still cannot post a single law the NRA has interfered with the passage or enforcement of.

    As such your posts are documented evidence of the inaccuracy of nearly everything you post.
     
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    Have you somehow missed the glaringly obvious fact that we are discussing the interference by the NRA in the laws regarding the mentally ill having access to firearms?

    Or would you prefer to discuss something else given your abject failure on that issue?

    Take your pick from any of the following;

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-gun-control-proposals-have-been-offered-since-2011/

    https://www.civilized.life/articles/nra-gun-laws-america/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/13/nra-weakened-gun-control-laws

     
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    How about instead of posting anti-gun news articles, post a single law the NRA has blocked and we can discuss that, you won't because you cannot.
     
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    :roflol:

    Kneejerk denialism all you have left given that you were just provided links to MULTIPLE laws that the NRA has obstructed?

    Sad!
     
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    One does not need to own a firearm, or even agree with the NRA, in order to disagree with the false nonsense being presented on the part of yourself. One can be opposed to private firearm ownership and still disagree with the nonsense being presented on the part of yourself.
     
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    NRA, working alongside like-minded conservative groups such as Alec, the American Legislative Exchange Council, has developed sophisticated lobbying networks designed to push back gun controls both at the federal and state level.

    Here are key areas where the gun lobby has either pushed laws that weaken controls or blocked laws intended to tighten loopholes:

    1. Concealed carry reciprocity
    The NRA is backing two bills currently being considered by the US Senate that would extend the right to carry concealed weapons right across the US.

    Excellent idea, right now a licensed carry holder is subject to over 300 laws which vary from state to state and district to district, having a nation wide carry license would eliminate that problem and unify carry licenses like drivers licenses.

    2. Private gun sales loophole
    Under existing federal law, unlicensed gun sellers are allowed to sell weapons without a background check of the buyer at gun shows and other private sales. The NRA strongly opposes legislation that would close this glaring loophole by requiring background checks for all gun sales.

    There's no loophole at all it's the law no license or background check is required for a private transfer, furthermore a pervate transfer is still subject to all of the BATF regulations the a FFL transfer is.

    3. Terror watch list
    The NRA has strongly opposed legislation to prohibit the sale of guns to people on the federal government's terrorist watch list.

    Total lie.

    4. Stand-your-ground laws
    The NRA successfully lobbied for Florida's stand-your-ground law in 2005, the same shoot-first provision that was invoked by Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman. Working with Alec, the NRA has encouraged the passage of similar legislation in 24 other states, and now it is actively pursuing bills that would codify similar legislation in at least seven states

    More lies, in the Martin shooting Zimmerman claimed self defense not SYG and had Martin been armed, he could have killed Zimmerman under SYG as Zimmerman was both armed and was stalking Martin.


    5. Guns on campuses
    This year, at least 14 states have introduced 35 bills, with NRA encouragement, that would allow students and faculty to carry concealed weapons on the campuses of state colleges and universities,

    This is allowed in a number of states and to this date there has not been a single instance of someone carrying a gun on campus being involved in any shooting or crime involving a gun.

    6. Guns in schools
    NRA-backed gun proponents have tried in several states to pass legislation eliminating "gun-free zones" and allowing weapons in elementary schools and even day-care centres.

    Very good idea, had the coach at Parkland been armed he could have stopped Cruz long before he killed 14 more students.

    7. Guns in the workplace

    Very good idea, there is no reason someone should check out their right to lawful self defense at the door of their workplace.

    For several years the NRA has pushed legislation prohibiting businesses and employers from banning guns in locked cars in parking lots.

    More bull, the NRA-ILA has successfully blocked business's and employers from prohibiting guns in locked cars in parking lots, and again there has not been a single instance of someone having a gun locked in their car being involved in any shooting or crime using a gun.

    8. Guns in bars and restaurants
    The NRA has also been lobbying for several years to expand the right to carry hidden loaded guns into bars and restaurants.

    Flat out lie, the ILA working with the USF inserted language in Florida and numerous other states carry laws to prohibit the carrying of guns in a bar or a part of a restaurant where alcohol is served.

    For example FA 790 (12)(a) license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:. 

    12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

    9. Tracing guns used in shootings
    The rule change, known as the Tiahrt amendment, made this data much harder to acquire. It also forced the justice department to destroy within 24 hours the records of any gun buyer whose background check was approved. The overall impact of the amendments was to make it much harder for police to clamp down on illegally distributed guns.

    Excellent idea, prevents the development of a national firearms registry.


    10. Revoking licences from corrupt dealers
    The NRA has made several attempts to usher through Congress an "ATF reform bill" that would make it much harder – some say virtually impossible – to revoke the gun-selling licenses of crooked dealers.

    Again a flat out lie, BATF has the full authority to revoke a FFL's license for even the most minor infractions of federal law.
     
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    Then post the law, any law, that the NRA has actually obstructed the enforcement of.
     
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    Your other post was already counted towards the accuracy of my prediction so this additional drivel is redundant.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    Totally false and a cover for the fact you cannot find on your own anything other than anti-gun lies to back you specious claim.
     
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    Stay out of discussions that do not actually pertain to yourself in any manner.
     
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    Thank you for proving that my position is 100% accurate when it comes to gun owners/obsessed being as much a part of the problem as the NRA when it comes to OBSTRUCTING sane and reasonable regulations for firearms.
     
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    Been there, done that!

    Just read the posts in the thread to find out for yourself.
     
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