The Old West awash in guns yet little gun violence

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    One reason is that frontier towns had strict gun laws. Dodge banned guns in the city limits. The OK Corral shootout was sparked by entering Tombstone armed. They violated Ordinance 9, which declared "it is unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the said city of Tombstone without first obtaining a permit in writing. As constitutional law professor Adam Winkler says in his book Gunfight: "Wild West lawmen took gun control seriously and frequently arrested those who violated their town's gun laws.
    In other words the Wild West wasn't all that wild because of gun control and it wasn't the libertarian paradise you may think it was.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Plus bullets were expensive
     
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    “I've never seen any rhetoric from that time period saying that the only thing that's going to reduce violence is more people with guns,” says Winkler. “It seems to be much more of a 20th-century attitude than one associated with the Wild West.”
     
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    Let’s be real. These laws from the Wild West while only partially true were most definitely unconstitutional at the state level and federal level constitutions. This is a good read and explains why it’s only partially true.

    https://crpa.org/news/crpa/did-the-wild-west-really-have-more-gun-control-than-we-do/
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the sheriff would probably give 'a permit in writing' to his friends and people he knew would not cause trouble. That's part of gun control. Boom towns without it suffered from vigilantism and high rates of murder....sound familiar?
     
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    It's a people problem, not a gun problem. There are more guns in the United States than there are people. If guns were the problem, we'd all be dead...
     
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    I know I'll take some flak for this, but there's a reason why cities like Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Atlanta, and many others are violent shitholes. Demographics. Like I said, it's a societal problem, more prevalent among certain ethnicities that are prone to gangs and gang violence.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Way too many are.
    Should that "demographic" be disarmed?
     
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    Not at all, because that would be against their 2nd Amendment rights. What needs to happen is a change in their culture. When you have entertainers rapping about capping people in the head, slinging drugs, and doing drive-by's, that only exacerbates the problem. On the opposite end of that spectrum, you'd be hard pressed to find a single country music artist that sings about slapping hoes, selling drugs, and shooting people. Again, it's a people problem, a societal problem. And until they find the will to address their culture of violence, nothing will change...
     
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    Did you read the article? Writing wasn’t necessary. Nor was the laws. The gun control enacted wasn’t for anyone’s safety. It was used to oppress their opposition. It wasn’t used for the right of life at all.

    Vigilantism causing high rates of murder? Nope doesn’t sound familiar at all.
     
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    Long story short, find me a single majority white, Republican-leaning major city where there are white people out in the streets just shooting each other left and right day after day. Now, see how many majority black or hispanic, Democrat-leaning cities there are where blacks and hispanics are out in the streets slaughtering each other day after day. There's your problem...
     
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    Change the culture? That sounds like greater intrusion into people's lives by the government than removing weapons.
    Apparently you didn't understand the article.
    Vigilantism is taking the law in your own hands. Your homey get shot, the perpetrator needs to pay. Happens all the time (in the Old West).
     
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    White people are much more likely to misuse guns to commit suicide. That's a problem too.
     
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    Hopefully, the US Supreme Court takes this into consideration when ruling on the issue of whether or not there's a right to carry guns in public.
     
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    ~ ' More Guns - Less Crime '

    ~ John Lott
     
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    Off topic but hilarious, the gun suicide rate has been double the gun homicide rate, but the old white guy gun owners on here don.t care, as posted many times. The largest demographic of barrel suckers are old gun owning white guys who vote Republican.
    Right-wing myth.
     
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    Yes, within city limits. People still needed guns outside of city limits because there were robbers.

    Within the city there were lots of people and witnesses who could intervene, and a sheriff would be nearby.

    Remember, Dodge had fewer than 1000 people before 1900. It was a very small city.

    This was also before cars, so most people were walking on the streets and there was a high population density. I know maybe you can't understand how that makes a difference, but it does.
     
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    What you probably do not understand is that there were a lot of people with permits. Not so much ordinary people, but the owners of saloons and certain types of businesses. And then the sheriff would go around deputizing many trusted men in the community, who could act as police officers if needed, even though that was mostly not their job.

    And this was only on a small city basis, not a state-wide basis. So if people didn't like how things were being run in that city, they could easily go somewhere else.

    They were intentionally looking for a fight.

    If you actually read the background story of the OK Corral, it looks like the existence of that gun control law is what precipitated the anger that led to the deadly shoot-out, ironically.
     
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    above should read acrimony, not anger
     
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    Just like Los Angeles today. No CCWs are issued to ordinary citizens, so only cops, judges, friends of the sheriff, and criminals carry them. Results show we are no safer.

    BTW, do you know how many CCW holders commit crimes?
     

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