The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    You can type in a dialect?
     
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    Shakespeare is for sure more easy understandable than you.

     
  3. yguy

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    So this "case" of yours is founded on a brazen lie. Whodathunkit?
    Evidently you're under the illusion the two are anywhere near synonymous.
     
  4. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Let's survey the debate thus far:

    "Greatest Am I" considers Jehovah to be an evil, genocidal God, on the basis of biblical texts.

    [He is not alone: no less than Marcion rejected the OT entirely, during the days of the formulation of the NT canon, in the decades after Christ's death].

    I have offered the possibility that this portrayal of God is not correct, rather that Moses and some of the successive prophets, Samuel amongst them, claimed authorisation of genocide by God, to justify achieving the freedom and survival of the Hebrews at that time (during the Exodus and conquest of the Promised Land c.1200 -1000BC).

    This claim of authorisation of genocide by God ("Listen to the Words of the Lord"....) is either a lie, or indeed God proposes the slaughter of innocent children, as stated by Samuel (obviously Samuel doesn't regard children as innocent).

    Now, I notice you bristling at the idea that, In the eyes of God all nations have equal measures of good and evil - you characterise this idea as a "brazen lie", as you must, in order to believe that Jehovah's vengeance is justifiable.

    Specifically, you consider that the Amalek, whom Samuel proposes to annihilate, are an evil people; among other things, they worship Baal. But what responsibility do the children of the Amalek have, for the customs of their parents?

    [No doubt you also consider the German nation was evil, in the two wars? A preposterous argument, although beloved by nationalists, for justification of war. The German people, like those everywhere, wanted to live their lives in peace and prosperity, though in the politics of this world they came too late to the competition for empire and resources, against the British Empire].

    No relationship at all? That's illusory.

    Justice, equality of opportunity, and freedom from poverty are all identified as basic Rights in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    The task of government is to establish these Rights (but failure to equip the UNSC with the necessary machinery to achieve this, ie by implementing majority vote instead of veto, ensures war is still with us).

    Are you expecting the 2nd Coming, to solve the world's problems?

    John, in Revelation, implored Jesus to return "soon". Two millennia later it's becoming clear we are responsible for own destiny on earth, by choosing the path of co-operation and goodwill.
     
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  5. yguy

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    Why do I sense insufferable tedium ahead?

    Stopped reading here, happy trails.
     
  6. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Well, opting out of a consideration of uncomfortable ideas is one solution.......
     

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